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by DCHindley
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias
Replies: 11
Views: 522

Re: Papias

As I have said in multiple places recently, I have doubts that the writings of Papias contained explanations of the sayings of Jesus. I don't believe we have, in the limited quotations available, any such example, which I find somewhat curious. I am aware of a couple of reported sayings about a sup...
by DCHindley
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias
Replies: 11
Views: 522

Re: Papias

http://peterkirby.com/putting-papias-in-order.html ^ sources for Papias Cheers Peter. I saw the full list at Ben's Papias textexcavation page, but was hoping to discern earliest (ant-Nicene] sources (and have edited my OP to that effect). Irenaeus is the only "ante Nicene" source. Eusebus would be ...
by DCHindley
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ
Replies: 44
Views: 2568

Re: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ

Hebrews I don’t believe helps the Mythicist thesis because of the gate reference, Jesus being from Judah,days of flesh and supplication of prayers, etc. How do general references to a "gate" (what gate? where?), "days of flesh" (where?) and "supplication of prayers" (can't this be done in a place t...
by DCHindley
Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did John repudiate the “lie” of a carnalized Jesus?
Replies: 15
Views: 816

Re: Did John repudiate the “lie” of a carnalized Jesus?

(No need, by you MrMacSon, of quoting all from the link given above) The marcionite Jesus says that John is more than a prophet: he is an angel. Translated wrongly as "messenger". The same angel alluded by Paul in Gal 1:8. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrar...
by DCHindley
Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)
Replies: 22
Views: 4832

Re: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)

I [too] have ordered it and am awaiting its arrival (Interestingly, I ordered it from Amazon two weeks ago, but it's coming from Wordery who do not give any indication of tracking. I emailed inquiring where it might be, but just got a reply saying it was too late to cancel the order; lol. They did ...
by DCHindley
Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)
Replies: 22
Views: 4832

Re: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)

MrMacSon, I do think that many folks, even Barbara Aland, have somewhat misrepresented Klinghardt's position when they say that Marcion created this ur-Gospel.* Maybe it is because it is reconstructed almost entirely from church fathers polemic against Marcion's Gospel, and that some of the canonica...
by DCHindley
Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who was John the Elder? The same author of the Epistles of 1 & 2 John
Replies: 45
Views: 1570

Re: Who was John the Elder? The same author of the Epistles of 1 & 2 John

I believe that he accepts the Gospel of John but does not necessarily believe that it was written by the apostle John, but by the disciple John who leaned on Jesus' breast at the last supper, "who Jesus loved." This at least was the position of Eusebius, I believe.... No, Eusebius is very clear abo...
by DCHindley
Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who was John the Elder? The same author of the Epistles of 1 & 2 John
Replies: 45
Views: 1570

Re: Who was John the Elder? The same author of the Epistles of 1 & 2 John

Giuseppe, I think Andrew was trying to get you to read more closely what is in that Decretal: Likewise the canonical [catholic] letters in number seven ... of the apostle John one letter of the other John the elder two letters I believe that he accepts the Gospel of John but does not necessarily bel...
by DCHindley
Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus
Replies: 11
Views: 781

Re: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus

:popcorn: So, Jesus' spittle was for Marcion like Kryptonite was for Superman?
by DCHindley
Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)
Replies: 22
Views: 4832

Re: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)

I never claimed that my ideas were Klinghardt's. To whom were you responding to? If to me, I was referring to MrMacSon's posts on the subject of Klinghardt's 2015 book as well as on Beduhn. To me, he seemed to be saying that he believed that the consensus is centering on Marcion creating a gospel t...