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by maryhelena
Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew, Luke, & the Protevangelium of James (for David).
Replies: 39
Views: 13640

Re: Matthew, Luke, & the Protevangelium of James (for David).

But the Protevangelium of James has the birth of Jesus in the time of Herod (as does gMatthew). Luke has shifted the birth of Jesus to the census of Quirinius (taken to be around 6 c.e. after the removal of Archelaus and thus with no descendent of Herod ruling in Jerusalem). So - the writer of the ...
by maryhelena
Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew, Luke, & the Protevangelium of James (for David).
Replies: 39
Views: 13640

Re: Matthew, Luke, & the Protevangelium of James (for David).

I have been kind of having to look into the Protevangelium of James lately in order to analyze Justin Martyr's gospel/memorabilia references, and I have been struck a couple of times by how obviously later than Matthew and Luke it appears to be. For what follows, bear in mind (A) that the manuscrip...
by maryhelena
Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Mythicism Was a Central Concern of the Earliest Christians Why Don't the Church Fathers Mention It?
Replies: 47
Views: 10122

Re: If Mythicism Was a Central Concern of the Earliest Christians Why Don't the Church Fathers Mention It?

Deconstruction or reconstruction of early Hasmonean/Herodian history is not a reason to just give up. Give up. Not a good reason. People sometimes say they climb a mountain 'because its there'. Some people want to travel to the moon - 'because its there'. Josephus is my challenge - so I'll keep dig...
by maryhelena
Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Mythicism Was a Central Concern of the Earliest Christians Why Don't the Church Fathers Mention It?
Replies: 47
Views: 10122

Re: If Mythicism Was a Central Concern of the Earliest Christians Why Don't the Church Fathers Mention It?

The OP's concern is justified, and not the easiest objection to answer decisively, but I don't see a knock-out punch in it. I don't think the OP is framing it as a "knock-out punch". Even should (say) Dr Carrier's mythicist theory win the day, it is still a mystery that would be worth examining. Un...
by maryhelena
Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Mythicism Was a Central Concern of the Earliest Christians Why Don't the Church Fathers Mention It?
Replies: 47
Views: 10122

Re: If Mythicism Was a Central Concern of the Earliest Christians Why Don't the Church Fathers Mention It?

The OP's concern is justified, and not the easiest objection to answer decisively, but I don't see a knock-out punch in it. I don't think the OP is framing it as a "knock-out punch". Even should (say) Dr Carrier's mythicist theory win the day, it is still a mystery that would be worth examining. Un...
by maryhelena
Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.
Replies: 25
Views: 11633

Re: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.

maryhelena wrote "I see no dating in this study that would suggest that Greg Doudna's identification of Antigonus as the wicked priest of the DSS is without credibility." That study did not report specific dates for any specific DSS mss, so what mh did "see" seems irrelevant. But the project is con...
by maryhelena
Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.
Replies: 25
Views: 11633

Re: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.

To briefly sum up the DSS argument that has got into this thread: Stephen Goranson: Jannaeus is the DSS wicked priest and Judah the Essene is the Teacher of Righteousness. Greg Doudna: Antigonus is the DSS wicked priest and Hyrcanus II is the Teacher of Righteousnesss. Stephen Goranson's theory: The...
by maryhelena
Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.
Replies: 25
Views: 11633

Re: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.

Yes, mh, I make mistakes, which I try to correct. Yes, I have a proposal about W.P. and T.R. (though not as a "model" for NT), based in part on archaeology dating--is that disallowed in snark-view? Yes, a horse metaphor might be appropriate: you, beating a dead one. :eek: Dating documents is very o...
by maryhelena
Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.
Replies: 25
Views: 11633

Re: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.

If one dates the earliest mentions (in texts that may possibly be copies of earlier ones) of the Wicked Priest and theTeacher of Righteousness before 76 BCE, then identifications with Antigonus or his brother Hyrcanus II would seem unlikely. Oh dear, Stephen, it seems Antigonus is just too much for...
by maryhelena
Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.
Replies: 25
Views: 11633

Re: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.

maryhelena posted: https://www.academia.edu/12144236/_Allu ... 4Q169_2011_ Greg Doudna "Allusions to the End of the Hasmonean Dynasty in Pesher Nahum (4Q169)" (2011) Antigonus Mattathias was captured in Jerusalem and killed by gentiles in a foreign country. And of particular interest in light of th...