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- Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:39 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
So we can imagine him interpreting this sentence just as literally---"came down" doesn't mean going from north to south, or from uptown to downtown. I literally means "came down". He just descended from the sky and sauntered into the local Synagogue to tell them what's what. [/b...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:35 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 53
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
was this gospel the first to name the 'wonder-worker- of the Slavonic Josephus story ? Is Ev dependent on Josephus? Lk, probably, but I'd need more evidence that the Ev cribs from Josephus. Take a look at the opening line of the Ev: in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius in ...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:50 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 53
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Reading Marcion's, 'Jesus came down to Capernaum', as a literal, flesh and blood journey, sounds strange to the ear Tertullian glosses this expression more as a Star Trek-style beaming down: he "came down to the Galilean city of Capernaum," of course meaning from the heaven of the Creator...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:30 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 53
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
I'm throwing an idea out there in cyber space... If the gospel in the hand of Marcion is, re Klinghardt, the oldest gospel - was this gospel the first to name the 'wonder-worker- of the Slavonic Josephus story ? If so, Klinghardt would be correct to label the gospel in the hands of Marcion as the ol...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:17 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 53
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Of course Luke derived from *Ev the idea of a spiritual entity descending on the earth in 3:2: in the 15° year of Tiberius [...] the word of God descended on John son of Zechariah in the wilderness The "word of God" is the Logos . The Logos idea comes from Philo.....Logos, mind, ideas - c...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:45 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 53
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Reading Marcion's, 'Jesus came down to Capernaum', as a literal, flesh and blood journey, sounds strange to the ear - i.e. we use that sort of expression often (i.e. my sister came down to London - from up north somewhere or another). Since Marcion's gospel found no use for birth narratives - perha...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:22 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 53
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Capernaum and Marcion Post by maryhelena » Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:46 pm While both the gospel attributed to Marcion and the gospel of Luke make reference to the 15th year of Tiberius, Marcion's gospel has his Jesus coming down to Capernaum in that year. The gospel of Matthew says of Jesus: Leaving Naza...
- Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:01 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Josephus again
- Replies: 26
- Views: 576
Re: Josephus again
Testimonium and Pilate -ca 30AD. Ant was published 94CE.I'm not too attached to this calculation The TF is set within a context of 19 c. e. It seems your not committed to Josephus dating for your Jesus theory. But I thought you said, or inferred, the gospel writers got their Jesus figure from Josep...
- Wed Apr 24, 2024 6:31 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Josephus again
- Replies: 26
- Views: 576
Re: Josephus again
But that's exactly how Jesus was created - Ant's reader found the right man in the book, who supposedly lived 65 years earlier, was loved by Jews and Gentiles, died on a cross. He thought and decided - this is the Messiah. The rest will be added. Why stop at 65 years? Why not go with 75 years and s...
- Wed Apr 24, 2024 4:31 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Josephus again
- Replies: 26
- Views: 576
Re: Josephus again
Outside of Josephus there is no historical evidence for these two figures. It is not important. Invented hero is even better. Jesus ben Ananias, ben Sepphat, James' brother, and the last one ben Miriam called Christ. Tradition of historical Jesus was invented My comment, in context, related to the ...