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by maryhelena
Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?
Replies: 10
Views: 161

Re: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?

I'm also thinking of the other named teachers we have, such as Valentinus or Basilides. I'm thinking of those that might be described as against Judaification, not just the Judaification ones. I'm thinking of the non-orthodox ones, not just the orthodox ones. As far as I can tell, a belief that Jes...
by maryhelena
Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 30
Views: 569

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

The purpose of this thread is not to defend my ideas above, though I'm happy to do so. It's to get people's own ideas around what Marcion means for early Christianity. SPECULATION WELCOMED! I'm interested in speculative ideas. Posts don't have to be the strong, respectful and well-thought out argum...
by maryhelena
Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
Replies: 9
Views: 219

Re: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus

George Wells. As I have said, my concern in this book is with the gospels rather than with the early epistles. But the significance of the enormous difference in what is said of Jesus in these two sets of documents should not pass unnoticed; and if in fact two different personages are being synthesi...
by maryhelena
Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion saute
Replies: 34
Views: 644

Re: Marcion saute

As a telecommunications engineer without a humanities education, I have some problems with expressing my thoughts in humanistic terms. As a marketer by practice, I look for analogies and benchmarks. For me, the gospels are as much a product as The Story of Paul and Thecla or Calvin and Hobbes. Yep,...
by maryhelena
Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
Replies: 9
Views: 219

Re: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus

Jesus was famous to have been crucified. Janneus was famous to have crucified. Therefore the Jews thought that Janneus crucified Jesus. The Toledot Yeshu has it's Yeshu figure born under Jannaeus but his death, execution, is under Queen Helene. An online version of the Toledot Yeshu makes no mentio...
by maryhelena
Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I Think Morton Smith is Innocent
Replies: 8
Views: 209

Re: Why I Think Morton Smith is Innocent

Read the list of things he was working on a decade before his death. Why bother if he's not interested in the truth? If he made up a fake gospel why keep investigating? Morton Smith' cared. He's not arguing on behalf of dogma. He's testing. Investigating. Probing. If you could just "fake"...
by maryhelena
Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?
Replies: 5
Views: 243

Re: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?

Jack Bull asks about the neglect of Marcionite studies: Why have they -- why are colleagues (secular and biblical) -- not engaging with us properly ... about Marcionite studies? [/i] Jason BeDuhn gives the following answer: 24:45 "Intellectual inertia. And just to be very frank very poor quali...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was "IS XS" a "consistent code name" like 007?
Replies: 12
Views: 382

Re: Was "IS XS" a "consistent code name" like 007?

Now that I think about it - James Bond and Ian Flemming - are a pretty good example of what has happened with the gospel Jesus story. The created literary figure of James Bond has had many actors play the part in movies. As the gospel Jesus historicsts have supplied many versions of their, assumed,...
by maryhelena
Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why the "consensus" will be always against the absolute Marcionite priority
Replies: 2
Views: 115

Re: Why the "consensus" will be always against the absolute Marcionite priority

So long as some interpreters continue to drive a wedge between Jesus and John, his fellow Jewish contemporary who influenced him most, we will struggle to combat the legacy of Christian antisemitism that denigrated Judaism – including John the Baptist – in the interest of elevating Jesus. Jesus’ hi...
by maryhelena
Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: HISTORY AND THE GOSPEL JESUS
Replies: 11
Views: 328

Re: HISTORY AND THE GOSPEL JESUS

And just to keep history in mind in view of the OP ... Alexander Jannaeus did not bring down the Hasmonean dynasty.... That tragedy fell to Hyrancus and Antigonus. Keep Posting on this, maryhelena. Mebbe someday, someone here will realize that there was a History in the area before...before... JESU...