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by theterminator
Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?
Replies: 356
Views: 73387

Re: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?

To answer your question, the Torah, especially eg in Deuteronomy 28, had the idea that Israel's status could change in guilt and sinfulness. So in David's time, 1000 bc, the Psalm in the place you checked in bold spoke highly of the Israelites, as they were about to build the temple. but the "chang...
by theterminator
Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?
Replies: 356
Views: 73387

Re: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?

Joseph Benson (1749–1821) was an early English Methodist minister, Benson was a Methodist non-Jewish non-Catholic non-Lutheran minister writing his own ideas c.3000+ years after the text was written. Do you consider him a trustworthy commentator on the scriptures? I don't consider him a strong auth...
by theterminator
Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?
Replies: 356
Views: 73387

Re: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?

i have a question for spin. spin, do you see in isaiah 53 that the person who is being persecuted sees himself as offering himself as an atonement for sins? christians want to see the suffering servant as a guilt offering . isn't a guilt offering different than a sin offering? is rokovsky's god a li...
by theterminator
Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?
Replies: 356
Views: 73387

Re: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?

It does not say "when he acknowledges his own guilt". After all, the passage says that he was suffering for others not for his own sins. Verse 9 says no lawless violence or lies were found in him. So Isaiah 53 definitely cannot about the "honest" "law-abiding" Servant acknowledging his own guilt. D...
by theterminator
Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?
Replies: 356
Views: 73387

Re: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?

So the plain reading is: 1. Moses asks to "make atonement for their sin" 2. Moses gave God an option: EITHER A) forgive their sin OR B) God still holds the sins against them and blots Moses out. If Moses gets blotted out, it means he undergoes punishment. And what is the punishment for in this cont...
by theterminator
Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?
Replies: 356
Views: 73387

Re: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?

Good times.
you might want to consider Muhammad as the foretold prophet in Isaiah

https://ponderingislam.com/2016/07/24/p ... the-bible/
by theterminator
Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:36 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?
Replies: 356
Views: 73387

Re: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?

i quote So here is the passage in context, and in a good translation from the Hebrew text, in which I will add [in brackets] the portions that are missing - Exodus 32:31-33 - 31. And Moses returned to the Lord and said: "Please! This people has committed a grave sin. They have made themselves a god...
by theterminator
Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?
Replies: 356
Views: 73387

Re: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?

Exodus 17:14 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write this in a book as a memorial and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven." Deuteronomy 29:20 "The LORD shall never be willing to forgive him, but rather the anger of the LORD and His jealousy will burn...
by theterminator
Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?
Replies: 356
Views: 73387

Re: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?

Yet you have rejected us and abased us, and have not gone out with our armies. You made us turn back from the foe, and our enemies have gotten spoil. You have made us like sheep for slaughter, and have scattered us among the nations. You have sold your people for a trifle, demanding no high price f...
by theterminator
Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?
Replies: 356
Views: 73387

Re: Psalm 22:17, Hebrew Text, "Like A Lion". Who's Lion?

"Moses is a good example, where he wanted to act as an "atonement" for people's sins, but he had spiritual problems and God said No. In Isaiah 53 however, it does teach that the Servant would serve as a "guilt offering", even though the Torah bans Israelites from committing ritual human sacrifice. J...