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Herod said, “John I beheaded, but who is this about whom I hear such things?” And he sought to see him. (Luke 9:9) I had read too literally this verse , to mean that Herod desided simply to meet Jesus face to face. Really, Herod could very well see Jesus face to face, and in any moment he desired. ...

That all sounds pretty earthy to me, GakuseiDon. Are you suggesting that references to burning of the bodies of sacrificed animals is figurative, or that the gate outside which he suffered was a spiritual gate? No, I agree it all sounds 'earthly' in Hebrews to me also. Just playing devil's advocate...

1 Peter is “historicist, Ha!” because the writer who of course claims to be Peter says he witnessed Jesus’ sufferings and 2:21-23. I think that even mythicists generally regard 1 Peter as 'historicist'. But why are the references so vague, then? Why not give concrete times and places? 1 Peter has P...

Hebrews I don’t believe helps the Mythicist thesis because of the gate reference, Jesus being from Judah,days of flesh and supplication of prayers, etc. How do general references to a "gate" (what gate? where?), "days of flesh" (where?) and "supplication of prayers" (can't this be done in a place t...

Sincerely it escapes me which is your precise anti-mythicist argument, beyond the your (our common) observation. It's not an anti-mythicist argument per se . The observation holds even if mythicism is true. Obviously one reason for there to be no historical details about Jesus in a text is because ...

It's not a method but an observation. There is very little difference between the H and M texts in style and content: i.e. the lack of clear details about almost everything , much less details about a historical Jesus. This is true regardless of how you see Christianity originated. I've been saying...

So the difference exists between M and H texts even assuming that the M texts are H texts. See my bold above in the quote. Well, it's based on a hypothetical case where Paul's letters were written in the Second Century. The analysis in my OP is based on Dr Carrier's conclusions with regards to Paul...

FransJVermeiren wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:18 am

The information was encrypted because the authors wanted their message - and themselves - to survive in a hostile Roman environment...

Thanks for your response, but it seems to be a can of worms best left unopened! Still, it's an interesting perspective.

'Removing just a couple of passages' to get texts in the desired category seems to be a doubtful method. It's not a method but an observation. There is very little difference between the H and M texts in style and content: i.e. the lack of clear details about almost everything , much less details a...

I believe your M/H key is too rough (or is it Carrier’s or Doherty’s key you use?), in two ways: The key is based on Dr Carrier's conclusions as much as possible. I use M? and H? because Carrier is sometimes unsure himself. I'm happy to correct the chart if I've misread Carrier anywhere, as Giusepp...