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by GakuseiDon
Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Planetary Watchers? Maybe the Gnostics Were Right
Replies: 2
Views: 90

Re: Planetary Watchers? Maybe the Gnostics Were Right

Maybe Dr RIchard Carrier is right as well. If the heavens should be called "outer space" because that's where the people of the time thought the heavens were located, then angels should be called "extraterrestrials". After all, beings that live in outer space are extra-terrestrials. I hope that Gius...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier on "gnosticism"
Replies: 134
Views: 15465

Re: Carrier on "gnosticism"

Giuseppe wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:04 pm
Please don't take any occasion to criticize Carrier, even going off topic (sic). By doing so, it seems that you are against him on a personal level.
Fair point.
by GakuseiDon
Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier on "gnosticism"
Replies: 134
Views: 15465

Re: Carrier on "gnosticism"

https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17119 So, Gnosticism doesn't exist, according to Carrier. No, he doesn't quite say that. He says Gnosticism is "an invention of modern scholars; an interpretive category, it turns out, that refers to no actual thing that existed in antiquity." There are a nu...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What was "the church of God"?
Replies: 32
Views: 7031

Re: What was "the church of God"?

I have speculated — given that wisdom and knowledge are usually considered pretty much the same thing, but on the Pauline list of gifts that you quote above appear to be different things — that "words of wisdom" were literally words spoken in the name of the personified Lady Wisdom (based on that t...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What was "the church of God"?
Replies: 32
Views: 7031

Re: What was "the church of God"?

GD -- I feel that you are onto something but I'm not sure what it is. Perhaps a common Redactor of the Paulines? There is a common thread in this but it may be for those smarter than Yours Truly. 1 Corinthians 1: 17 (RSV): [17] For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What was "the church of God"?
Replies: 32
Views: 7031

Re: What was "the church of God"?

There's also the mysterious (to me) passages in Galatians, where Paul says that he wouldn't be persecuted if he preached circumcision: 5:11 But I, brothers, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? Then the stumbling-block of the cross has been removed. That to me is a surprising s...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What was "the church of God"?
Replies: 32
Views: 7031

Re: What was "the church of God"?

To sum up, Paul recognized an already existing worship community that he calls the "church of God." He never calls it the Church of Jesus Christ, although at some point prior to Paul's calling these communities experienced visions of the risen Lord. It is possible that these communities had existed...
by GakuseiDon
Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Are there any survivors in the apocalypse of John?
Replies: 33
Views: 5912

Re: Are there any survivors in the apocalypse of John?

Paul envisions that, at the advent of the Lord Jesus, some people will still be alive, and will thus never experience death: 1 Corinthians 15.51-52: 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed , 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; ...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus from Outer Space
Replies: 114
Views: 29812

Re: Jesus from Outer Space

It seems Carrier's new book, Jesus from Outer Space , is to get an improved cover design. :) Oh dear. What do you bet it will have Jesus either in a space suit or as an alien on the cover, posed in Leonardo Da Vinci-like style? There's already lots of pictures like that: https://s3-media1.fl.yelpcd...
by GakuseiDon
Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus from Outer Space
Replies: 114
Views: 29812

Re: Jesus from Outer Space

While Carrier is obviously adopting a terminology to generate laughs from his audience, he isn't doing the case of mythicism any favours if his listeners start to use the same terminology when discussing the ideas with people who understand ancient beliefs in their context. It seems he is looking f...