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by GakuseiDon
Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Celsus claims that only SOME (τίνες) Christians believed that Christ was lived on earth
Replies: 26
Views: 13158

Re: Celsus claims that only SOME (τίνες) Christians believed that Christ was lived on earth

You have defeated me again, Giuseppe! All I can do is stand back in astonishment and admiration, and even a bit of fondness. Please carry on.
by GakuseiDon
Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Celsus claims that only SOME (τίνες) Christians believed that Christ was lived on earth
Replies: 26
Views: 13158

Re: Celsus claims that only SOME (τίνες) Christians believed that Christ was lived on earth

Giuseppe, I realise that English isn't your first language. Please note that "the coming (descending) god" is something that will happen in the future, while an " already descended god" is something that happened in the past. Christians who believed that Jesus was born just a man didn't believe he h...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Celsus claims that only SOME (τίνες) Christians believed that Christ was lived on earth
Replies: 26
Views: 13158

Re: Celsus claims that only SOME (τίνες) Christians believed that Christ was lived on earth

Obviously , the ebionites (the kind of Christians you are alluding, i.e. believers that the Messiah Jesus was a mere man who will return as risen and exalted by God) have to be classified among the " certain Christians" who believe that: "there has already descended upon the earth a certain god or ...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Celsus claims that only SOME (τίνες) Christians believed that Christ was lived on earth
Replies: 26
Views: 13158

Re: Celsus claims that only SOME (τίνες) Christians believed that Christ was lived on earth

I am saying that everything Celsus says in the name of these "certain Christians" ( one group) comprises one statement: "there has already descended upon the earth a certain god or son of a god who will make the inhabitants of the earth righteous." my simple point is that, insofar Celsus talks only...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A question about Justin, Apology 63
Replies: 5
Views: 3784

Re: A question about Justin, Apology 63

I would like to find the entire quote from Justin Apology 63 (it is my only reference) where Justin would have written: There are some... who acknowledge that He is Christ, while at the same time declaring that He was a man among men; I am not of this view. It's actually from Justin Martyr's Dialog...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Eusebius A Truth Challenged Advocate For Jesus? - The Argument Resurrected
Replies: 17
Views: 14839

Re:

Again, here is the Chapter heading: "That it will be necessary sometimes to use falsehood as a remedy for the benefit of those who require such a mode of treatment" The straight forward meaning is that it's okay to lie ( with whatever qualifications the context indicates ). Yes, and what is that co...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Eusebius A Truth Challenged Advocate For Jesus? - The Argument Resurrected
Replies: 17
Views: 14839

Re: Lying Dogma Faced Phony Soldier

Eusebius is trying to support the General statement with the examples and not Verse-vices . So you need to deal primarily with the general statement. I'm dealing with the whole passage, in context with what Eusebius is doing throughout the whole book, rather than just analysing the first line. Euse...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Eusebius A Truth Challenged Advocate For Jesus? - The Argument Resurrected
Replies: 17
Views: 14839

Re: Is It True That When You Say Noah You Mean Yeshua?

If Eusebias was primarily arguing that it's okay to use allegory/figurative, it's something no one would object to, hence no argument would be needed. It'd depend on what he is arguing and why, wouldn't it? Pearse's website has Eusebius of Caesarea's Praeparatio Evangelica in full. Book 12 can be f...
by GakuseiDon
Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Eusebius A Truth Challenged Advocate For Jesus? - The Argument Resurrected
Replies: 17
Views: 14839

Re: Was Eusebius A Truth Challenged Advocate For Jesus? - The Argument Resurrected

So far your example of Eusebius being a big liar is him saying that the Old Testament contains many falsehoods. I'll look forward to your further examples. Pearse's excellent and informative website has a link to Lightfoot's comments about the reliability of Eusebius: http://www.tertullian.org/rpear...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Eusebius A Truth Challenged Advocate For Jesus? - The Argument Resurrected
Replies: 17
Views: 14839

Re: Was Eusebius A Truth Challenged Advocate For Jesus? - The Argument Resurrected

I also would not expect Eusebius to confess in his writings that he was a Liar for Jesus if he was a Liar for Jesus. Okay; however you then quote Eusebius writing the following: 1) Perhaps the most famous accusation: Is it okay to Lie for Jesus? Praeparatio Evangelica 12.31 The Formation of the New...