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by GakuseiDon
Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 75
Views: 1067

Re: Three Assumptions

But we'd be restricted to using fairly contemporary literature in that case. Indeed. That's what historians do. That's how they work. At least if they are serious professionals. Too many biblical scholars seem to feel that rigorous standards are too limiting. Fair enough. I'd be interested to see w...
by GakuseiDon
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 75
Views: 1067

Re: Three Assumptions

I posted some information upthread which to my eye calls into serious question whether Hillel ever claimed Davidic descent for himself. That Judah the Prince claimed Davidic descent seems more secure, but I am not 100% certain about that. Thanks Ben, that was interesting. You're right, there is a d...
by GakuseiDon
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 75
Views: 1067

Re: Three Assumptions

Presumably you are using the Talmud as evidence that certain specific claims were being made for Davidic descent in the Second Temple era. Yes. That is, you are using the Talmud for certain facts about the Second Temple era -- viz, the fact that people were claiming to have genealogies traced back ...
by GakuseiDon
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 75
Views: 1067

Re: Three Assumptions

Related to #1, messiah assumptions, I can add the assumption that there was ever a person or family in Second Temple Judea/Galilee who claimed to be of "Davidic descent", or that anyone in Judea/Galilee recognized any person or family that was of "Davidic descent". Do you mean, messianic contenders...
by GakuseiDon
Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The docetism was a reaction to old Jewish DENIERS of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 39
Views: 429

Re: The docetism was a reaction to old Jewish DENIERS of the historicity of Jesus

Evidence of this fact is Ignatius, Ephesians 9: Now the virginity of Mary was hidden from the prince of this world, as was also her offspring, and the death of the Lord ; three mysteries of renown, which were wrought in silence by God . How, then, was He manifested to the world? A star shone forth ...
by GakuseiDon
Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 75
Views: 1067

Re: Three Assumptions

Related to #1, messiah assumptions, I can add the assumption that there was ever a person or family in Second Temple Judea/Galilee who claimed to be of "Davidic descent", or that anyone in Judea/Galilee recognized any person or family that was of "Davidic descent". Do you mean, messianic contenders...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Extant work of Ireneaus
Replies: 3
Views: 1124

Re: Extant work of Ireneaus

A good resource is Peter Kirby's Early Christian Writings. It gives both online and offline resources about the early writings that you might find useful:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/irenaeus.html
by GakuseiDon
Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Do O'Neill and McGrath ignore or deny Valentinian Mythicists?
Replies: 105
Views: 22426

Re: Do O'Neill and McGrath ignore or deny Valentinian Mythicists?

Giuseppe and I are mere amateurs having fun, as seriously as we actually take the topic ourselves. For the sake of clarity, I am an amateur having fun, as well. It is no secret that I have been trained in Classical Greek and Classical Latin, but I do not make my living in the field (or in any close...
by GakuseiDon
Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Do O'Neill and McGrath ignore or deny Valentinian Mythicists?
Replies: 105
Views: 22426

Re: Do O'Neill and McGrath ignore or deny Valentinian Mythicists?

It is general knowledge the fact that the Gnostic myth was highly complex just as the Greek myths, populated by a lot of entities all rigorously mythological. Why is so important for you the fact that not Sophia, but an emanation of the emanation of an emanation (assuming that "emanation" is the co...
by GakuseiDon
Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Do O'Neill and McGrath ignore or deny Valentinian Mythicists?
Replies: 105
Views: 22426

Re: Do O'Neill and McGrath ignore or deny Valentinian Mythicists?

Various editions of the Panarion , including Holl's influential version , emend ἀποστερηθῆναι to ἀποσταυρωθῆναι precisely because crucifixam is found in the Latin (both in Irenaeus and in Tertullian). As Harvey explains : W. Wigan Harvey, Sancti Irenaei, Adversus Haereses , page 20: Ἀποσταυρωθῆναι ...