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by Bernard Muller
Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Another clue that Gal 1:19 is interpolated
Replies: 11
Views: 2112

Re: Another clue that Gal 1:19 is interpolated

Galatians 2:7-8 is most likely an interpolation: https://depts.drew.edu/jhc/barnikol.html I can't realize why you don't make to follow the only logical conclusion from that premise: that it is decisively not probable that Peter was supplanted by James (and that therefore the entire first meeting of ...
by Bernard Muller
Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Another clue that Gal 1:19 is interpolated
Replies: 11
Views: 2112

Re: Another clue that Gal 1:19 is interpolated

According to my research, Peter became the leader of the "church" of Jerusalem in 35 CE. But progressively, he got supplanted by James. The turning point was the James' men intervention in Antioch, which I dated in 52 CE. So when Paul staid with Peter for 2 weeks (which I dated in 38 CE), Peter was ...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Let the reader understand... Again
Replies: 154
Views: 33402

Re: Let the reader understand... Again

to Ben, It could. Anything is possible in the mind of an author whom we do not know. But to choose that image, the abomination of desolation, suggests otherwise. It suggests a defilement of the temple. By a statue of a Pagan god? That seems of little importance as compared with the temple having bee...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The date of 2 Thessalonians.
Replies: 79
Views: 15556

Re: The date of 2 Thessalonians.

to Ben, Okay, so the assembly of Christians, with no markers at all as we find elsewhere when that kind of metaphor is on the table, and with both definite articles firmly in place. Again, I find that unlikely. If the author of 2 Thessalonians is other than Paul (which I strongly think), he did not ...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Let the reader understand... Again
Replies: 154
Views: 33402

Re: Let the reader understand... Again

to Ben, Why bother inventing prophecies after the fact if they end up looking no better than the guesses of prophets before the fact? Because if not looking like (unclear) predictions of prophets, they would be suspected to be done after the facts. But, of course, there are exceptions, where a so-ca...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The date of 2 Thessalonians.
Replies: 79
Views: 15556

Re: The date of 2 Thessalonians.

to Ben,
No pagan temple, just the figurative one made of the assembly of Christians.

Cordially, Bernard
by Bernard Muller
Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The date of 2 Thessalonians.
Replies: 79
Views: 15556

Re: The date of 2 Thessalonians.

to Ben, 2 Thes. 2:3-4: Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himse...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The date of 2 Thessalonians.
Replies: 79
Views: 15556

Re: The date of 2 Thessalonians.

to Ben, If Romans 9 is original to Paul (an open question, in my judgment, given its apparent absence from the Marcionite version), then Paul speaks of Israelites as possessing "the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Law and the worship and the promises." The "wo...
by Bernard Muller
Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 18755

Re: How late might the gospels be?

To Ben, For my dating of gMatthew, open http://historical-jesus.info/appd.html#gosdating then "find" on: What about the dating of the other gospels? Note: here, to my surprise, I took the "then" in Mt 24:21 as meaning "at that time". I found that the Didache (without the Christian additions), the co...
by Bernard Muller
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Immemorial earthly Jesus versus recent celestial Jesus
Replies: 21
Views: 3141

Re: Immemorial earthly Jesus versus recent celestial Jesus

to Joseph D.L. I don't know where you're getting this from. Galatians does not say, hint, or imply that Jesus was born of a woman. Now you know: from Galatians 4:4 And because you think it is a later interpolation, that does not mean "Galatians does not say, hint, or imply that Jesus was born of a w...