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by Bernard Muller
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?
Replies: 8
Views: 191

Re: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?

For the dating of the Synoptics, consult Peter Kirby web site http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/ Please note that most Christians do not accept a dating after 70 CE, but rather no later than 65 CE. I rarely follow the scholars near-consensus (such as Jesus was a teacher, itinerant, using parable...
by Bernard Muller
Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?
Replies: 8
Views: 191

Re: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?

Sorry guys. I am now in a hospital in pain and won't be able to answer for a while.

Cordially, Bernard
by Bernard Muller
Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?
Replies: 8
Views: 191

Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew?

I have been inquiring about the probability of Matthew's gospel first written in Hebrew, as thought by some according to Papias: "Matthew put together the logia in the Hebrew language, and each one interpreted them as best he could." I consulted these two websites (among others): 1) https://en.wikip...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?
Replies: 84
Views: 14916

Re: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?

to Ben, Thank you for your lesson on ancient Greek. I understand "oracles" as a translation for λογίων is misleading and rather should be replaced by "sayings". But if "the lordly sayings" (or "the sayings of the Lord") is correct, and if "Lord" means Christ, "the sayings of the Lord" does not inclu...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?
Replies: 84
Views: 14916

Re: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?

to Ben, "Oracle" is probably a misleading translation for logion in a case like this for many people; I doubt you are alone in that. But that logia can consist of "words and deeds" is beyond dispute; the term is used both of sayings and of narrated portions of the Hebrew scriptures, for example. It ...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?
Replies: 84
Views: 14916

Re: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?

to Ben, Thank you for your answers. I prefer "into," and no, "into" is not in any way awkward in English in the sentence in question. To "make something into" some form is good, solid, idiomatic English. I would not have suggested that rendering if the English had been awkward; the whole point was t...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?
Replies: 84
Views: 14916

Re: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?

to Ben, I would greatly appreciate if you answer the following 6 questions: "Who made the teachings into anecdotes, but not as if making an ordering together of the lordly oracles...." Questions: 1) Does "by means of" (as you proposed first) is a valid translation for "into" (πρὸς) ("into" looks awk...
by Bernard Muller
Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?
Replies: 84
Views: 14916

Re: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?

to Ben, It certainly looks chreias meant anecdotes in the time period of Papias and Eusebius. Remain to be seen if Papias &/or Eusebius these anecdotes meant they were Peter's own making for his personal teaching to his audience or anecdotes about Jesus. I also suspect that Eusebius added up "with a...
by Bernard Muller
Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?
Replies: 84
Views: 14916

Re: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?

to Secret Alias, But what is the underlying bias? Look at the list. Craig Evan's is there. Bauckham. I don't see an underlying bias that connects all the authorities. And Mark is made up of anecdotes. The context seems to be right. The gospel is recording something like history and ancient historiog...
by Bernard Muller
Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?
Replies: 84
Views: 14916

Re: What Are the Implications that Peter Taught in 'Anecdotes'?

to Secret Alias, ὃς πρὸς τὰς χρείας ἐποιεῖτο τὰς διδασκαλίας I still don't see what I put in bold can be translated "in (or as) anecdotes". The bolded words mean "As for debt". That probably means Peter was indebted (owing gratitude for a service or favor) to his audience which likely offered him lo...