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by Bernard Muller
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: No Christology in the Q community
Replies: 17
Views: 233

Re: No Christology in the Q community

to Michael BG, Does 1 Cor. 1:12 show that not all “Christians” in Corinth believed Jesus was the Christ? "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ." I think that Paul is referring to Corinthians who only accepted his preaching, and...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: No Christology in the Q community
Replies: 17
Views: 233

Re: No Christology in the Q community

to Michael BG, The saying in question (Lk 12:8-9 and only here) looks to me very much like Christian propaganda. I think if a poor uneducated Jew would say that, he would be lynched or, at least, distrusted. Furthermore, Paul had in his hymn to Philippians, Jesus as humble, with no reputation. But s...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: No Christology in the Q community
Replies: 17
Views: 233

Re: No Christology in the Q community

To Michael BG, I wish you read my piece on Q. I determined a good part of Q was created with the benefit of Mark's gospel. That does not mean that other parts were not collected before that. And I even think some were transmitted (verbally) from eyewitness like Peter and genuinely could be what was ...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Another thing that is very strangely missing in Paul...
Replies: 19
Views: 238

Re: Another thing that is very strangely missing in Paul...

to robert j, I think Paul intended the "rulers" in 1 Corinthians 2:6 and 2:8 as human rulers on earth. Perhaps humans influenced by Satan or demonic forces, and perhaps not. That's what I think also. Except I would drop demonic forces. I repeat what I wrote long ago: From http://historical-jesus.inf...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Another thing that is very strangely missing in Paul...
Replies: 19
Views: 238

Re: Another thing that is very strangely missing in Paul...

to robert j, Just because the author of the letter Romans used the term in such a way that can be interpreted to mean Roman authorities, that certainly does not mean that the rulers of the eon that did not understand the hidden wisdom of God were intended to be Roman authorities in 1 Corinthians 2:6...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Another thing that is very strangely missing in Paul...
Replies: 19
Views: 238

Re: Another thing that is very strangely missing in Paul...

Right, and Paul didn't write in his letters that the Romans killed Jesus either. But the only time Paul identified "archons", they are Roman authorities (Ro 13:3). the idea that the "Jews", or better the "Judeans", killed Jesus for Paul is too much evident as a naive and popular form of euhemerizat...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Another thing that is very strangely missing in Paul...
Replies: 19
Views: 238

Re: Another thing that is very strangely missing in Paul...

To Giuseppe So do you think that ''rulers'' mean "Romans" tout court, without even a minimal allusion to demons behind the Romans? Are you aware that your is a minority view (even in comparison to mythicism) ? First I am surprised you accept the Romans killed Jesus. What happened to Jesus crucified ...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Another thing that is very strangely missing in Paul...
Replies: 19
Views: 238

Re: Another thing that is very strangely missing in Paul...

to Giuseppe, But at least he could mention the transcendent reasons that moved the demons to move the Romans to kill Jesus. Well: he is silent even about the reasons behind the demons to move the Romans against Jesus. And you can well concede my point, that Paul couldn't disturb any earthly authorit...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the Gathercole's comparison between Paul's silence and Acts's silence (about an historical Jesus)
Replies: 2
Views: 65

Re: On the Gathercole's comparison between Paul's silence and Acts's silence (about an historical Jesus)

to Giuseppe, As if Acts could be silent about Jesus, why not Paul also? Acts is not silent about an earthly Jesus: 1:14 "These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren." 1:21-22a "Wherefore of these men which have c...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Another thing that is very strangely missing in Paul...
Replies: 19
Views: 238

Re: Another thing that is very strangely missing in Paul...

to Giuseppe, But that is the logical conclusion from the his silence. Note that even Ascension of Isaiah talked about what caused the killers to act against Jesus: No, logic is not evidence. It is as logic that Paul did not want to antagonize Romans and Jews by declaring they put Jesus on the cross....