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by ghost
Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Political allegory in the 'exoteric' legend of Jesus
Replies: 58
Views: 26361

Re: Political allegory in the 'exoteric' legend of Jesus

Political allegory in the 'exoteric' legend of Jesus Here's what Carotta says about this: http://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/esumma.html The political changes which occurred with Vespasian and Titus after the Jewish war, such as the necessity of integrating Jews into the empire, led to the develo...
by ghost
Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John 19:15 "no king but Caesar"
Replies: 10
Views: 5763

John 19:15 "no king but Caesar"

Caesar is indeed said to have said he's not king but Caesar. How would you check whether this parallel is valid? App. BC 2.16.108 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0232%3Abook%3D2%3Achapter%3D16%3Asection%3D108 Some others who met him at the city gates as he was r...
by ghost
Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and Caesar
Replies: 1
Views: 2335

Re: Jesus and Caesar

The closest thing I've found so far is this:

http://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/04/30 ... rome-book/
by ghost
Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias
Replies: 209
Views: 72573

Re: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias

Stephan Huller wrote: I can't even imagine what "faith in fiction" would look like. Can you? A short glimpse at Mormonism or Wicca might alleviate that lack of imagination. No by 'faith in fiction' I am referencing the implication of the faith of so many at the forum that the gospels were written a...
by ghost
Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias
Replies: 209
Views: 72573

Re: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias

The Hasmonean elements came via Josephus. What you see by the time of the Flavians is already a composite character, but it doesn't mean he was always a composite. This is not true. The Hasmoneans existed , seen today by way of coins, other records in other cultures, etc. "Existence" is not a predi...
by ghost
Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Political allegory in the 'exoteric' legend of Jesus
Replies: 58
Views: 26361

Re: Political allegory in the 'exoteric' legend of Jesus

The gospel JC story is not history; it is a mythologizing of history; an interpretation of history; salvation history. History viewed through a Jewish philosophical and a prophetic lens. -------------------------------------- While a lot of what Josephus wrote re Antigonus cannot be historically ve...
by ghost
Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias
Replies: 209
Views: 72573

Re: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias

2. We look back and try to find explanations. I'll cut to the chase: I find one basic appearance of Julius Caesar in the NT. JC gave Aristobulus 2 a coupla' Legions to go back into Syria and Kick Ass. I see the "Two Witnesses" in mid-Revelation as Aristobulus 2 and his son Alexander. *Kook Alert*: ...
by ghost
Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek "nomina sacra" - encryption of the sacred names
Replies: 16
Views: 9024

Re: Greek "nomina sacra" - encryption of the sacred names

I don't know at the moment. Nobody knows where these codifications originated, but they appear with the earliest evidence. Do we have any artfacts - coins, inscriptions, etc - where the IS refers to Julius Caesar? Not that I'm aware of, but the initial and final letters are the same, and they're bo...
by ghost
Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek "nomina sacra" - encryption of the sacred names
Replies: 16
Views: 9024

Re: Greek "nomina sacra" - encryption of the sacred names

Stephan Huller wrote:Yeah like this nonsense is just too 'high brow' for the rest of us. We're all too stupid to see this as anything other than stupid.
Please care to explain where the nomen sacrum IS comes from? Thanks.
by ghost
Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias
Replies: 209
Views: 72573

Re: Richard Carrier on gMark parallel with Jesus ben Ananias

I see here's a reconstructed gospel with less OT references. It's still set in Galilee, and you might argue the reconstruction is wrong, but at least the idea of a gospel with less OT references is not just for nutjobs and conspiracists.

http://www.Marcionite-Scripture.info/Gospel1.html