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by Ulan
Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 1014

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

Ben C. Smith wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:03 pm
The Barabbas episode can be anything to anyone.
The four different gospel accounts already illustrate that statement nicely.
by Ulan
Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:02 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jörg Rüpke on early Christianity in 'Pantheon: A New History of Roman Religion'
Replies: 36
Views: 758

Re: Jörg Rüpke on early Christianity in 'Pantheon: A New History of Roman Religion'

The other point of contention is, of course, [Rüpke's] adaptation of what is described as Markus Vinzent's ideas about the origin of Christianity. It's really hard to judge a book from reviews, so I won't. However, though the "Marcion first" hypothesis is definitely not the leading hypothesis of Ch...
by Ulan
Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 1014

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

Another defect of the Messianic hypothesis: it assumes as a natural thing a comparison between the insurrectionist ideology and the Christian Messianic ideology. As if Mark had the 'moral duty', as writer, of placing the Christians or the Jesus story in relation to the fall of Jerusalem and his his...
by Ulan
Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 1014

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

In answer to Ulan : The main protagonist here is Jesus Christ, and the scene wants to make clear that you don't miss who is to blame for the death of the protagonist: not Pilate, but the sanhedrin Also in the his article, Couchoud admits that the episode works also as pro-Roman apology. But he reco...
by Ulan
Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 1014

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

By the your Zealot hypothesis, Ulan, you may explain the favor of the people towards the Zealot Barabbas, but not the choice of Pilate of making the freedom of the one the death of the other. Attempts at psychological reasoning like this assume that we are looking at a real scene here. We aren't. H...
by Ulan
Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 1014

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

By the your Zealot hypothesis, Ulan, you may explain the favor of the people towards the Zealot Barabbas, but not the choice of Pilate of making the freedom of the one the death of the other. Attempts at psychological reasoning like this assume that we are looking at a real scene here. We aren't. A...
by Ulan
Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 1014

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

As seen in your quote, the mention of the "insurrection" is even doubled up so you don't miss it, which means the point seems to be important to Mark. The allusion to Yom Kippur comes with its own pitfalls though. Setting Barabbas free wouldn't be a positive thing here, as this would be specifically...
by Ulan
Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 1014

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

If we leave this Barabbas/Barrabas controversy alone for a moment (I can see points for both explanations), how does the specific mention of the insurrection in gMark figure into this hypothesis? For me, this would rather point at Barabbas/Barrabas being a stand-in for the Jewish idea of the warrior...
by Ulan
Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jörg Rüpke on early Christianity in 'Pantheon: A New History of Roman Religion'
Replies: 36
Views: 758

Re: Jörg Rüpke on early Christianity in 'Pantheon: A New History of Roman Religion'

@DCHindley: Yes, Jungian psychology has mostly been done away with nowadays. I don't think I have read any flattering review of Freke and Gandy's book(s), and if I remember correctly, even Bob Price's words sounded a bit like damning with faint praise. Anyway, the psychology behind religion is an in...
by Ulan
Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jörg Rüpke on early Christianity in 'Pantheon: A New History of Roman Religion'
Replies: 36
Views: 758

Re: Jörg Rüpke on early Christianity in 'Pantheon: A New History of Roman Religion'

If Jörg Rüpke any or any myticist has any real evidence other than wishful thinking I would like to see it. To try to connect Mithraism to the origin of Christianity is just absurd, nay dishonest. :roll: Prof. Rüpke is one of the worldwide leading experts on ancient Roman religion, which means I wo...