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by Stuart
Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 33238

Re: Marcion's Gospel

Now, in the big picture, while I don't get the impression he was writing when Marcion was alive, Irenaeus seems to have at least been in a position to have heard things about Marcion (like Justin Martyr) by virtue of having been in Rome shortly after (and perhaps even during) the time of Hegesppus,...
by Stuart
Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 33238

Re: Marcion's Gospel

What was it? Due to time constraints it's not much of OP, but I want to take a fresh look at the subject and am all ears and keeping an open mind. We have to define "Marcion's Gospel" and possibly Marcion. What we have is a sect that arose in the 2nd century, which we have early 3rd to mid-5th cent...
by Stuart
Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.
Replies: 24
Views: 11135

Re: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.

Also, I cannot find your answer to my other question about Stephen. Why does it have to be an assumed name? Why does he have to be named after a Christian hero? Why can it not be his birth name? Sober up, you'll follow simple concepts better. :facepalm: :D Two scenarios: (1) a given name, (2) a nam...
by Stuart
Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.
Replies: 24
Views: 11135

Re: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.

What I am saying is the ability of a Jewish person to convert a Greek or Latin is pretty low compared to their ability to convert a Jew or Semitic person, simply on the basis of having more in common with them. Many missionaries today work to convert a handful of locals and then train them as junio...
by Stuart
Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.
Replies: 24
Views: 11135

Re: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.

What I am saying is the ability of a Jewish person to convert a Greek or Latin is pretty low compared to their ability to convert a Jew or Semitic person, simply on the basis of having more in common with them. Many missionaries today work to convert a handful of locals and then train them as junio...
by Stuart
Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.
Replies: 24
Views: 11135

Re: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.

Because the Jewish missionaries were aiming to convert pagans...? I am not sure I understand the question. You seem to be assuming that a Jewish person would not aim at converting pagans; if not that, then some other assumption. What is it, and why? Christian Missionaries tried to convert all. But ...
by Stuart
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.
Replies: 24
Views: 11135

Re: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.

I am suspicious of the first Christian evangelists being ethnic Jewish,as the first converts are not Jews, but gentiles; Romans 16:5 saying "Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the first convert in Asia for Christ" and 1 Corinthians 15:16 "Stephanas were the first converts in Achaia". Surely wander...
by Stuart
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.
Replies: 24
Views: 11135

Re: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.

I call this effort to declare first teacher the "name game", the attempt to neatly wrap things up and say, "so and so" is the founder, after setting aside Jesus as being from the same mythical sphere as the apostles and saints. To my view it's simply replacing one legend with another as founder, an...
by Stuart
Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.
Replies: 24
Views: 11135

Re: Roger Parvus and early Christian tradents.

Parvus' Ignatian epistles as Apellean is extremely shaky. It requires that they had all been made over again, and that he miraculously knows the original openings. It's not convincing, as it is generally recognized collections are the product of a collector/editor, and they woudl be the one who logi...
by Stuart
Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Canon
Replies: 48
Views: 36736

Re: The Canon

Ben, I reread the first page, and it looks like I conflated and misread a few things. Is it OK if I go back an edit out the couple of places I imply those were Trobisch's thoughts and not those of others or something I misread that was posted? Makes no difference to me. Well just know I want to cor...