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by Stuart
Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mulberry Trees and Mustard Seeds
Replies: 5
Views: 120

Re: Mulberry Trees and Mustard Seeds

Bark from the wrong tree :scratch: Ficus sycomorus range is mostly sub Sahara Africa, but also Egypt delta and up through Isreal, Lebanon and Syria. I guess it got to Egypt via trade and they spread it up the coast. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Zasieg_ficus_sycomorus_distribut...
by Stuart
Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mulberry Trees and Mustard Seeds
Replies: 5
Views: 120

Re: Mulberry Trees and Mustard Seeds

Luke uses a number of unique terms (duh, hence the famous Lukan favorite words). Curiously few if any are attested in the Marcionite text, so they may be from a later editor. If Luke is referring to platanus orientalis, which is the European Sycamore, instead of the Mulberry Tree (common in the Midd...
by Stuart
Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation
Replies: 13
Views: 204

Re: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation

Birds eating flesh could be some sort of reference to the burial practices of the Zoroastrians. But we do know from the American Civil War that vultures in large packs followed the armies waiting for a battle. There are some similar reports from Europe throughout the ages. The behavior of vultures f...
by Stuart
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?
Replies: 79
Views: 3920

Re: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?

I have explained repeatedly why I think, in fact know Marcion knew the Baptism story. We have triple tradition evidence pointing to it's presence in a prototype gospel. Mark and probably the first version of Matthew seem to be circular, starting with a baptism and ending with an empty tomb. This is ...
by Stuart
Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?
Replies: 79
Views: 3920

Re: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?

Klinghardt creates many problems with Mark. By making Mark a response specifically to the Marcionite gospel he brings forward all the issues with the Griesbach theory (two gospel theory) in the synoptic gospels. He compounds it by making Mark at once capable of building entire parables such as the w...
by Stuart
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?
Replies: 79
Views: 3920

Re: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?

Giuseppe, Klinghardt is wrong. Tertullian (AM 4.38.1-2) knows immediately what the passage is about and says so: Christ knew "the baptism of John, whence it was ... (it) belonged to Him whose sacrament John was administering. The sacrament John was administering is the baptism of Jesus. And "Him" he...
by Stuart
Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?
Replies: 79
Views: 3920

Re: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?

Correct. Mark is dependent upon two versions of the prototype gospel and his own editorial hand. He does not know LXX and he does not know Hebrew/Aramaic (despite the use of a few color words, complete with Greek translation). The literary relationship may be only to the common prototype L and not t...
by Stuart
Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Muratorian Canon on Acts
Replies: 8
Views: 194

Re: The Muratorian Canon on Acts

The key line for me is verse 45, specifically: se publicare uero in ecclesia populo "but it cannot be published for the people in the Church" This underscores the entire point of the document. That is, which documents are to be allocated resources to be published for distribution to the churches. Th...
by Stuart
Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?
Replies: 79
Views: 3920

Re: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?

There is no Mark dependency for either Matthew or the Marcionite gospel, and no need for dependency in the first published version of John (which itself is blending of a commentary layer with an earlier draft). Only the later revisions of Luke and John have dependencies on Mark. Mark itself has no d...
by Stuart
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?
Replies: 79
Views: 3920

Re: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?

The key on the Baptism is it's relationship to the Source of Authority parable. The entire purpose of Jesus responding when asked where his authority comes from is to show that his authority derives from John's baptism of him, the source that brought the spirit to descend upon him. To deny Jesus' au...