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by Stuart
Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A sad notice
Replies: 7
Views: 1536

Re: A sad notice

No words. It is a great loss for the world.
by Stuart
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 129
Views: 22076

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

We can start with the lack of manuscript evidence as a second point. How many copies of a top secret CIA document or sensitive corporate internal report would you expect to have written? If the Eleusian mysteries had a "guide book" would you expect that text to have had mass distribution? You've go...
by Stuart
Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 129
Views: 22076

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

Ben, Thanks for making my attempt at reducio ad absurdem even more complicated. And I hope people do understand that this is only one of the issues I have with Secret Mark. We can start with the lack of manuscript evidence as a second point. A third point is the introduction of Jesus who shows anger...
by Stuart
Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 129
Views: 22076

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

Common Source is the problem. It postulates an additional source. Without secret Mark no such source is required for Mark or John. John can know Matthew (or Mark or both [1]) and no additional dependence is required. No two-way dependence is required. Occam's razor says we should not expect an addit...
by Stuart
Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 129
Views: 22076

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

You want to convince me, start with explaining the Pastiches. The easiest way to explain them is to say that there is none. The parallels between Secret Mark on the one hand and Matthew, Luke and John on the other, are formalistic and generic. The (almost) only close parallels are to Mark, but then...
by Stuart
Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 129
Views: 22076

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

Peter, I'd also advise focusing on the content of the material, which in the letter Clement supposedly says was from Carpocrates himself and placed in Mark. This contrasts to the Stromata, where Carpocrates has left the scene, and the practices of the sect are said to be held by his son Epiphanes (n...
by Stuart
Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 129
Views: 22076

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

Peter, Smith's homosexuality only speaks to possible motive for the content. You get into a vague debate about a possible lavender affair with a widow the year just prior to finding this document. But it really is neither here nor there which side of the bed Smith slept on. I do not much care when l...
by Stuart
Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 129
Views: 22076

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

The emphasis on mystery cult ritual strikes me as more a 20th century fad among NT scholars than anything from antiquity. Can this comment be elaborated into a sound argument for 20th century authorship? (Or is it not intended as one?) It was half rhetorical. But sure I can elaborate if you really ...
by Stuart
Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 129
Views: 22076

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

Secret Mark is a fraud. It doesn't fit the theology of the young man at the tomb (clothed/unclothed of Paul and Revelation) of the material which the language of Mark 14:51-52 closely parallels. Being unclothed and found naked, means being without the new clothing of Christ. It is a metaphor for fal...
by Stuart
Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel and the Synoptics: Proposal and Problems, D.A. Smith
Replies: 8
Views: 1820

Re: Marcion's Gospel and the Synoptics: Proposal and Problems, D.A. Smith

I agree with the observation (last slide) that without Q Marcion would have had to edit a pre-Luke "gospel" in the vorlage. This is precisely what I think went on. There was some prototype gospel (really a pre-gospel), circulated within pre-evangelic (monastic) Christian communities. There are many ...