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by Steven Avery
Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Coloring the Truth: Sinaiticus
Replies: 53
Views: 73408

Re: Coloring the Truth: Sinaiticus

Neither of us are Byzantine choral experts. When I discuss this with a top scholar in those realms, he sees the eight Holies connection with the Octoechos. Your attempted analogy is far too overdone, to put it mildly. Citation needed. Who was it and what did they say? Private at this time. The gent...
by Steven Avery
Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Presumptions of reader knowledge in Mark.
Replies: 117
Views: 77318

Re: reader knowledge of Jesus origin

There are literally dozens of ancient biographical or semibiographical treatments of people which lack accounts of the person's birth, childhood, or origin. This is a dead end, and one which I will not be debating because it is old ground. Thanks. This is a fallacious analogy. We are only concerned...
by Steven Avery
Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Presumptions of reader knowledge in Mark.
Replies: 117
Views: 77318

Re: Presumptions of reader knowledge in Mark.

Origen’s order still places a genealogy and origin story published first, before Mark. Also Zahn’s tweak. Also we have the Eusebius ability to understand Clement, which Stephen handwaves. The switch to a theory of “open publication” looks strained against what has been “widely understood”. Carlson’s...
by Steven Avery
Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Coloring the Truth: Sinaiticus
Replies: 53
Views: 73408

Re: Coloring the Truth: Sinaiticus

If the Octoechos is the source for the eight holies, it is highly unlikely to be an early source.The eight-mode system only has its beginnings around the time of John of Damascus (see the reference for Pseudo-John of Damascus on the page). The dots on the extra Holies would also reflect this type o...
by Steven Avery
Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Coloring the Truth: Sinaiticus
Replies: 53
Views: 73408

Re: Coloring the Truth: Sinaiticus

Why should they be from the Byzantine era? The whole concept of emphasizing the Holies and their expanstion comes from the Byzantine era, starting at the time of John of Damascus. There is no evidence before this time, such as in the various Revelation commentaries, or the Codex Alexandrinus or oth...
by Steven Avery
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Presumptions of reader knowledge in Mark.
Replies: 117
Views: 77318

reader knowledge of Jesus origin

Should we not add the lack of a Jesus origin story, including genealogy, as an additional Markan reader's presumption element. If we stick with actual extant writings, this would make Luke and/or Matthew circulating before Mark No. Those elements depend upon the kind of story being told; their abse...
by Steven Avery
Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Presumptions of reader knowledge in Mark.
Replies: 117
Views: 77318

reader knowledge of Jesus origin

Should we not add the lack of a Jesus origin story, including genealogy, as an additional Markan reader's presumption element.

If we stick with actual extant writings, this would make Luke and/or Matthew circulating before Mark
by Steven Avery
Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Coloring the Truth: Sinaiticus
Replies: 53
Views: 73408

Re: Coloring the Truth: Sinaiticus

But there is a religious significance for eight , though. is a iteration of Isaiah . An eight-fold holy discrepancy is not unusual, or unexpected. Do you have any examples of texts being adjusted based on this "not .. unexpected" significance? And if you do, are they from a much later Byzantine era...
by Steven Avery
Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Coloring the Truth: Sinaiticus
Replies: 53
Views: 73408

Re: Coloring the Truth: Sinaiticus

Can you please clarify the relationship between the 8 holies in Sinaiticus and the Octoechos , which refers to the 8 modes? There are two elements in play. If the Octoechos is the source for the eight holies, it is highly unlikely to be an early source.The eight-mode system only has its beginnings ...
by Steven Avery
Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Presumptions of reader knowledge in Mark.
Replies: 117
Views: 77318

trolling, trolling trolling, keep those trolls a rolling

... he's twisted your words, Mr Smith, and is quoting you elsewhere in his favor - because that's the type of sleaze ball you're dealing with) Rather the trollish accusation. Ben Smith is quite capable of speaking up if he objects to my presentation of the evidences, coming from a full Bible believ...