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On the first page I left this summary of the Romans 9:5 discussion, and spin showing it as a nominalized verb. Maybe spin would like to add more, or possibly give an analogous example in the Greek corpus. Note I am very sympathetic to spin's explanation, which you can see in the first post on this t...

Conjecture? Nothing I have read, here or elsewhere, nor seen on my visits to both places, nor from my archaeological experiences in Galilee, demonstrates such a putative relative time sequence, not counting conjecture. You accept the Nazareth far from Capernaum? Arbel, which fits the scriptures, ca...

You are correctabout James Snapp.

Wher are your quotes from full defenders like:

John William Burgon
Edward Freer Hills
Maurice Robinson
Wilbur Pickering
Nicholas Lunn

You are right that only a couple of those ones from Ben are Luke, they are a mixture of the Gospels preceding Mark. (Leading to Matthew and likely John also preceding Mark, as well as Luke.)

So I will work on a full presentation showing Luke-Mark connections.

Peter Kirby wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:02 am
I haven't yet seen even just one reason given.

Every point in Ben's article, plus my additions.

If Mark has the presumption of reader's knowledge, and that readers knowledge is in Luke's Gospel, it is all very simple.

I really do not see how "priority" can even be a discussion in the theories that place the Gospels in the 2nd century, or even just after AD 70.

(c) Nothing you've said does anything to identify which gospel should be presupposed in this prior-gospel hypothesis. Do you have an additional argument to say that a prior gospel here could not, for example, be Matthew? Comparing Luke and Matthew as sources for Mark, we have the ten or so reasons ...

(a) If historicism is true (and let's assume here that it is - I have no such presuppositions in favor of mythicism), then we should suppose that there were stories told about Jesus, often described as an oral tradition. The historical existence of Jesus is a simple explanation of a pre-existing tr...

Please explain how Ben's thread presents "really clear arguments of Luke preceding Mark." Presumptions of reader knowledge in Mark. That reader knowledge is material in Luke's Gospel. Ockham says the simplest explanation is the best, Luke was being read by readers now reading Mark. Sure, ...