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by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 96
Views: 21321

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben: As of this particular moment, I think that your suggestion for which line may be answering to "he was the Christ" is less plausible than the possibility that pseudo-Hegesippus had the gospels in mind for that line. But I am open to being persuaded otherwise. Glad to hear it. Ken: Actually, it ...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 96
Views: 21321

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben, I'm still working on a response on the order of the Testimonium within the account of Pilate's governorship, but I'll reply to this first. Ben: The intended relationship between Josephus' own testimony and these explanatory details is not entirely clear to me, but I am not sure we are supposed ...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 96
Views: 21321

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

I'm never going to complete a comprehensive response to Ben's last post in this thread, so I'm just going to try to respond to two points here - and one in a follow up. Ben: You make some excellent points here. Two questions: Does pseudo-Hegesippus testify in any meaningful way to the line in questi...
by Ken Olson
Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 96
Views: 21321

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Just a small observation. Why do we have to pretend that Pseudo-Hegesippus was hermetically sealed as a text in 370 CE? Yes there is a passage which suggests it was written then but why couldn't additions or changes have come even later than that? Doesn't the Yosippon show that changes were always ...
by Ken Olson
Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 96
Views: 21321

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

For anyone who isn't clear on what's at stake in the issue of the order of the Testimonium and John the Baptist passages in Pseudo-Hegesippus's De Excidio 3.12, I'm going to recapitulate it here. Andrew can correct me if he thinks I've misrepresented it. I have argued that Eusebius composed the Test...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 96
Views: 21321

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

I wrote: The argument about the order of Pseudo-Hegesippus' use of the passages about Jesus and John the Baptist relies on a highly selective use of the evidence . You discuss only the Ecclesiastical History, where the John passage comes almost immediately before the Testimonium, and not the Demonst...
by Ken Olson
Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 96
Views: 21321

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Andrew Criddle wrote: At face value pseudo-Hegesippus' text of Josephus has Jesus referred to as more than human but not explicitly as the Christ. One should also note that pseudo-Hegesippus mentions John the Baptist after Jesus (as in our texts of Josephus but not in Eusebius) and that there is no ...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 96
Views: 21321

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Sorry for the delay in responding. Ken: I didn't really grasp Inowlocki's argument against me. She thinks that where she finds a variant, and can explain it in terms of Eusebius' theological interests, she can attribute it to Eusebius. I think I've more than met the bar she sets for herself when it ...
by Ken Olson
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 96
Views: 21321

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

David Hindley asked: Ken, Have you considered the issue of opportunity? Yes, quite a bit. Particularly in the Eusebian Reading paper. If you're asking where Eusebius' copy of the Antiquities came from, I think it was brought to Caesarea from Alexandria by Origen. That's not provable but there's no e...
by Ken Olson
Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 96
Views: 21321

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben Smith wrote: I plan to respond to the rest of your post at some point, but in the meantime: if Eusebius found nothing whatsoever in Josephus about Jesus, and if he penned the entire Testimonium (at least in one of its forms) in Josephus' name (even if he did not physically insert the paragraph i...