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by Ken Olson
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 148
Views: 56562

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Incomplete sentences in my previous post now completed.
by Ken Olson
Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 148
Views: 56562

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ken: I’m making an argument about intellectual history or the development of Christian historiography. It involves a particular combination of elements, but it’s broader than that. It’s not that, in the course of writing his book, he happens to use Josephus, and also happens to make the argument th...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 148
Views: 56562

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Delayed reply to Ben; split two issues into separate posts. Ken: I think your argument may be a tad overstated here. I do not need to hypothesize any clairvoyance on Eusebius’ part to suggest that he correctly perceived that, though Pilate is first mentioned as Gratus’ successor in 18.35, the materi...
by Ken Olson
Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 148
Views: 56562

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

ETA: I could not find an English translation of this Origenic passage, so here is my own rendition of it; the Greek is included, as well as the ancient Latin translation of it. Corrections or improvements welcome: Origen, Commentary on Matthew 17.25a: 25a "At that time the Pharisees went and took c...
by Ken Olson
Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 148
Views: 56562

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben: But this completely ignores Pilate's actual introduction earlier in the sequence, at Gratus' exit from the stage. If your argument for an interpolator's decision was supposed to be deduced from your discussion of Josephus' structuring of his section about Pilate, then I suspect that argument f...
by Ken Olson
Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 148
Views: 56562

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

[ What is the earliest known (and noncontroversial) instance of this combination of assertions (namely, that Josephus knew Jesus was the Christ but still remained in a state of unbelief)? Would Sozomen (Eccl. Hist. 1.1, c.445 ) qualify? Josephus, the son of Matthias, also who was a priest, and was ...
by Ken Olson
Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 148
Views: 56562

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Tangentially related digression: I was looking at Rev. Samuel Lee's 1843 translation of Eusebius' Theophany, on Roger Pearse's site: http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/eusebius_theophania_06book5.htm Lee's footnote 88, on the Testimonium Flavianum, is relevant to the previous discussion of the recept...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 148
Views: 56562

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

My main concern with this whole approach of finding Eusebian themes in pseudo-Hegesippus is that, when I once did that with Luke 24, the Testimonium Taciteum, and the Testimonium Flavianum, you were able to show other passages (such as in Justin Martyr) which evinced similar collocations of themes....
by Ken Olson
Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 148
Views: 56562

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

My long delayed reply on the chronology of Pilate's governorship. Ben: it is not a matter of which work, but of where in that work the Testimonium ought to go. As to that issue, I can tell you that, if I myself had wished to insert the Testimonium into the Antiquities and simultaneously to preserve ...
by Ken Olson
Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 148
Views: 56562

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben Smith wrote: In your judgment, does this mean that Origen, too, could hypothetically have found the textus receptus of the Testimonium in his copy of Josephus and still written that Josephus did not believe Jesus was the Christ? I have long argued that Origen's statements to that effect are evid...