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by Ken Olson
Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?
Replies: 57
Views: 6498

Re: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?

Ben Smith wrote: If Mark is one of the "each" in the sentence about Matthew, then Mark is also translating the logia into Greek from Matthew's Hebraic original. This seems unnecessarily confusing and complicated. That would seem unnecessarily confusing and complicated, but I'm not reading it that wa...
by Ken Olson
Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?
Replies: 57
Views: 6498

Re: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?

Eusebius HE 3.39.15-16 on Papias: But we are now obliged to append to the words already quoted from him a tradition about the Mark who wrote the gospel, which he [Papias] expounds as follows: “And the Presbyter used to say this, ‘Mark became Peter’s interpreter [or translator] and wrote accurately a...
by Ken Olson
Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?
Replies: 57
Views: 6498

Re: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?

There's a good discussion of the various proposals as to what Papias' logia, as recorded by Eusebius, meant in Donald Carson & Douglas Moo A Introduction to the New Testament (2009) 141-146 (preview available in Google Books): I would agree with the Carson and Moo's conclusion in the paragraph quote...
by Ken Olson
Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Prophesy! Who is it that struck you?” ...
Replies: 13
Views: 7865

Re: “Prophesy! Who is it that struck you?” ...

But the more I think about it the more it seems to me that in both versions, Matthew's and Luke's, is an invisible elephant in the room – the word “Prophesy!“ ... This was an interesting review of the issues surrounding the striking agreement of Matthew and Luke against Mark in "Who is it that stru...
by Ken Olson
Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If anyone is new to Q and the Synoptic Problem
Replies: 33
Views: 24803

Re: If anyone is new to Q and the Synoptic Problem

What is clear is that one can remove both the distinctively Matthean material and the decidedly Marcan material from Matthew's version and be left with a complete parable in its own right: one that is basically a mild rewrite of Luke's parable. One cannot, however, remove the Lucan material and be ...
by Ken Olson
Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If anyone is new to Q and the Synoptic Problem
Replies: 33
Views: 24803

Re: If anyone is new to Q and the Synoptic Problem

In the concrete, however, there is at least one point at which I believe Luke's version is pretty clearly more original than Matthew's, granted the rest of my arguments. Matthew has changed individual servants in Mark's parable of the tenants to groups of servants in his own rendition of that parab...
by Ken Olson
Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If anyone is new to Q and the Synoptic Problem
Replies: 33
Views: 24803

Re: If anyone is new to Q and the Synoptic Problem

Though, actually, one of the problems with Goodacre's fatigue paper is that he doesn't provide a definition of fatigue, it has to be inferred from his descriptions of what he's looking at in his examples. In “The Synoptic Problem” (linked to) Mark Goodacre when talking about editorial fatigue with ...
by Ken Olson
Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If anyone is new to Q and the Synoptic Problem
Replies: 33
Views: 24803

Re: If anyone is new to Q and the Synoptic Problem

Paul Foster has argued that Matthew's uses of "kingdom of God" at Matt 12.28; 19.24; 21.31,43 should count as fatigue because Matthew generally prefers "kingdom of heaven" (32 times) and suggests Matthew has lapsed in these few cases [Is it Possible to Dispense with Q NovT 2003)] This looks little ...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If anyone is new to Q and the Synoptic Problem
Replies: 33
Views: 24803

Re: If anyone is new to Q and the Synoptic Problem

Ben, I'm going to give an alternative synopsis (based on my SBL handout) for the Parables of the Wicked Tenants (using Matthew's version rather than Mark's), Wedding Banquet and Great Dinner. Hopefully I'll get around to commenting on it tomorrow. Matt 21.33-41 Matt 22.1-10 Luke 14.16-24 33‘Listen t...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If anyone is new to Q and the Synoptic Problem
Replies: 33
Views: 24803

Re: If anyone is new to Q and the Synoptic Problem

Ben Smith wrote: It is not the purest example of fatigue one may find, but the fact that Matthew 22.7 has the king in the parable of the wedding feast actually destroying a city in the middle of inviting people to his feast, and the feast is apparently still there after the war, indicates to me that...