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by John2
Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.
Replies: 63
Views: 7344

Re: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.

But my theory from the OP is that Levi/Lebbaeus was originally on the list, and that the tradition gave him a calling in Jericho. But the list added to Mark is secondary (as implied by the grammatical chaos involved in its insertion), and came from a time when Matthew and Judas had already pushed t...
by John2
Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.
Replies: 63
Views: 7344

Re: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.

Ah, and as Burkitt notes, the "strongest external testimony" for Levi is Luke. Yeah, that seems to close the case. So I guess all I'm left with is: Levi (in Mark) is not Matthew or James. Then Matthew (or as I see it, the translator who created the NT Matthew) decided to change it to Matthew for som...
by John2
Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.
Replies: 63
Views: 7344

Re: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.

Who is he, anyway?
I know! I've been wondering that all day.
by John2
Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.
Replies: 63
Views: 7344

Re: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.

Give me a trajectory and accompanying reasons for it. I would love to see the Western text explained here You were too fast for me (I'm at work). I edited my citation to better reflect that other texts have the same variant (both copies of the Arabic Diatessaron and Origen). I just saw it today and...
by John2
Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.
Replies: 63
Views: 7344

Re: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.

If it is the case that Levi is not Matthew, then the only question would be why did (in my view) whoever translated and combined Matthew with Mark change Levi to Matthew? I'm thinking this was not the case in the original Hebrew Matthew, since I suspect only the NT Matthew was combined with Mark. I...
by John2
Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.
Replies: 63
Views: 7344

Re: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.

I hadn't thought about who Levi or Matthew were until now, but being someone who subscribes to the idea of Markan priority, I'm thinking that if Levi was also called Matthew then Mark would have said so. As the Wikipedia page for Matthew notes: In passages parallel to Matthew 9:9, both Mark 2:14 and...
by John2
Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.
Replies: 63
Views: 7344

Re: Levi, Matthew, & Matthias.

Who subscribes to your theory besides you? How many are they? (These are serious questions, not rhetorical.) The integer value that best approximates this number is Zero. Thanks. There is another side to this, however. If I assert that the Temple Slaughter of 4 BCE was the basis for many of the NT ...
by John2
Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Papias use 'Gospel according to the Hebrews'?
Replies: 3
Views: 963

Re: Did Papias use 'Gospel according to the Hebrews'?

rakovsky wrote: It's frustrating that these works like Papias' and Hegessipus' got lost, whereas we do have preserved texts like Ignatius' letters, the Epistle of Barnabas, Justin Martyr's works, etc. Maybe Papias' and Hegessipus' works were considered to have mistaken material and were discarded or...
by John2
Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The gospel of the Hebrews.
Replies: 18
Views: 5559

Re: The gospel of the Hebrews.

rakovsky, Glad you are still around, by the way. The last time I thought about the gospel of the Hebrews I concluded that the "logia" mentioned by Papias are the key to the various Matthews (NT, Ebionite and Nazarene), and that all of them more or less pre-date Papias (c. 110 CE by my reckoning), an...
by John2
Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Messiah ben Joseph & Galilee; Messiah ben David & Judea.
Replies: 35
Views: 3578

Re: Messiah ben Joseph & Galilee; Messiah ben David & Judea.

How violent do you take the early Jesus movement to have been? Do you think that Jesus was crucified between two bandits because both he and they were seditionists? What do you make of this passage? Matthew 11.12: 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence...