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by John2
Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Theudas
Replies: 3
Views: 494

Re: Theudas

Another indication for me that Christians were Fourth Philosophers is Jesus' attitude towards Fourth Philosophers and their attitude towards him. Josephus notes that some Fourth Philosophers had "deceived and deluded the people under pretense of divine inspiration," and as Jesus says in Mk. 13:5-6, ...
by John2
Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Theudas
Replies: 3
Views: 494

Re: Theudas

One of the indications for me that Christians were Fourth Philosophers is that both groups subscribed to what Josephus calls "Pharisaic notions," with the most distinctive "notions" being belief in the resurrection of the dead and angels. These "notions," of course, form the core of Christianity, as...
by John2
Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Theudas
Replies: 3
Views: 494

Re: Theudas

I've always had the impression that Theudas was a "violent revolutionary," but as I take another look at what Josephus says about him, nothing appears to indicate that other than the allusion to Joshua, but even then all he did was take people to the Jordan to watch him try to divide it and pass thr...
by John2
Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Theudas
Replies: 3
Views: 494

Theudas

Being someone who thinks that Jesus was a Fourth Philosopher (or at least that the literary figure called Jesus walks and talks like one), Theudas seems like a suitable parallel to me. I can imagine that if followers of Theudas had survived and flourished after 70 CE and wrote things about him, thei...
by John2
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Esteemed pillars" vis a vis "men from James": Re-imagining the context for the way Paul spoke to Peter "to his face."
Replies: 20
Views: 4576

Re: "Esteemed pillars" vis a vis "men from James": Re-imagining the context for the way Paul spoke to Peter "to his face

Victorinus discusses Galatians 2:3-4 here, but I'm not getting the impression that it is based on a variant of 2:3 but rather only of 2:4 (the one that says "yielded" instead of "did not yield," as you've noted). But he goes on to say: Some read the last phrase as follows: not even for an hour did w...
by John2
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Esteemed pillars" vis a vis "men from James": Re-imagining the context for the way Paul spoke to Peter "to his face."
Replies: 20
Views: 4576

Re: "Esteemed pillars" vis a vis "men from James": Re-imagining the context for the way Paul spoke to Peter "to his face

While I'm fine with either reading of "yield" or "did not yield" (and even lean towards "yield" since it fits with Acts and 1 Cor. 9:20), I'm having trouble fitting it with what Paul says in Gal. 2:3: Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. ...
by John2
Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Esteemed pillars" vis a vis "men from James": Re-imagining the context for the way Paul spoke to Peter "to his face."
Replies: 20
Views: 4576

Re: "Esteemed pillars" vis a vis "men from James": Re-imagining the context for the way Paul spoke to Peter "to his face

While I'm fine with either reading of "yield" or "did not yield" (and even lean towards "yield" since it fits with Acts and 1 Cor. 9:20), I'm having trouble fitting it with what Paul says in Gal. 2:3: Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. W...
by John2
Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is Luke?
Replies: 44
Views: 14460

Re: Who is Luke?

That's what Cadbury says, as I already noted upthread.
by John2
Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Papias exist?
Replies: 79
Views: 16023

Re: Did Papias exist?

You have to trust Eusebius in order to be able to substantiate your POV even partially. Yes, and since his citations of extant sources are fairly accurate, why should we assume that his lost sources just so happen to be made up (particularly if some sense can be made of them)? According to the Anti...
by John2
Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is Luke?
Replies: 44
Views: 14460

Re: Who is Luke?

I asked you "When was there a "circle" around Luke ? You failed to answer. I didn't say the circle was "around" Luke, but according to Philemon he and the other people mentioned along with him belonged to the same social circle, that of being Christians in close association with Paul. By the way th...