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by John2
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nazarene Christianity
Replies: 22
Views: 801

Re: Nazarene Christianity

And in Luke the charges have nothing to do with breaking the written Torah and resemble what Josephus says about Fourth Philosophers even more. 23:1-2: Then the whole council rose and led Jesus away to Pilate. And they began to accuse him, saying, “We found this man subverting our nation, forbidding...
by John2
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nazarene Christianity
Replies: 22
Views: 801

Re: Nazarene Christianity

David wrote: Luke "And Pilate called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people, and said unto them, Ye brought unto me this man, as one that perverteth the people" Mark "And the chief priests accused him of many things. And Pilate again asked him, saying, Answerest thou nothing? behol...
by John2
Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nazarene Christianity
Replies: 22
Views: 801

Re: Nazarene Christianity

John, i was taking the accusations made against Jesus 'the literary figure' by the authorities These folks were definitely accusing him of breaking the law - not just arguing over the oral Torah John "Hath any of the rulers believed on him, or of the Pharisees? But this multitude that knoweth not t...
by John2
Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nazarene Christianity
Replies: 22
Views: 801

Re: Nazarene Christianity

David wrote: What gives you the impression that Jesus' Torah observance was "spiritualized" and that he had "a more relaxed view of things"? To me he appears to be fully written Torah observant and expected his followers to be as well, as per Mt. 5:17-19: Um, that's the author of gMatthew's take, n...
by John2
Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nazarene Christianity
Replies: 22
Views: 801

Re: Nazarene Christianity

I see Jesus' opposition to the oral Torah as being typical of the Fourth Philosophic "I am He" guys I think he likens himself to in Mk. 13:5-6: Jesus began by telling them, “See to it that no one deceives you. Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many ." Cf. War 2.13.4: T...
by John2
Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nazarene Christianity
Replies: 22
Views: 801

Re: Nazarene Christianity

And Jesus appears to have expected Gentile converts to be Torah observant like Jews, to judge from the above citations and Mt. 7:21-23: " Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father in heaven . Many will say to me on that da...
by John2
Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nazarene Christianity
Replies: 22
Views: 801

Re: Nazarene Christianity

I wrote: I don't know what his [Jesus'] position on conversion was (and that's an interesting question I want to look into) ... Jesus appears to have had a dim view of non-believing Gentiles yet was quite open to conversion, to judge from Mk. 7:26-30, Mt. 8:5-13, 10:5-6 and 18:15-17. Now she was a G...
by John2
Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nazarene Christianity
Replies: 22
Views: 801

Re: Nazarene Christianity

David wrote: What gives you the impression that Jesus' Torah observance was "spiritualized" and that he had "a more relaxed view of things"? To me he appears to be fully written Torah observant and expected his followers to be as well, as per Mt. 5:17-19: Um, that's the author of gMatthew's take, n...
by John2
Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nazarene Christianity
Replies: 22
Views: 801

Re: Nazarene Christianity

Hi John2 I think the reason for me is that he was accused of breaking the law by the pharisees etc And he did do some stuff that appeared to go against the traditions. now you might say the traditions isn't the law, yes that's true but then it gets into the fine line between relaxing traditions yet...
by John2
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nazarene Christianity
Replies: 22
Views: 801

Re: Nazarene Christianity

David wrote: What does make sense is an original 'spiritualised' Torah observance which was not as strict in the first place, nor required of gentiles (which ties in with Jesus having a more relaxed view of things. This also does not make any sense if James his own brother was super strict!) What gi...