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by John2
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus
Replies: 31
Views: 269

Re: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus

I don't know what source (if any) Epiphanius used regarding James being 96 (for what it may be worth, he mentions it along with other pieces of information that are in Hegesippus, who elsewhere says that Symeon lived to be 120), but I also don't see what the big deal is if James was born in 34 BCE. ...
by John2
Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Peter 1:20
Replies: 7
Views: 152

Re: 1 Peter 1:20

So I'm starting to suspect that perhaps Mark had an original ending with a spiritual resurrection of Jesus (with perhaps even an appearance to Judas?) and it was removed (and then altered with the Long Ending) as a way of countering any appearance of Docetism. But if this was the case, then why wer...
by John2
Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Peter 1:20
Replies: 7
Views: 152

Re: 1 Peter 1:20

I'm thinking that a spiritual resurrection in Mark (in the manner of, and along with, 1 Cor. 15 and such) could be why Docetism emerged in the first place. If Jesus had a spiritual body when he was resurrected, maybe he had always had one and didn't really die (etc., etc.). And if Judas saw the resu...
by John2
Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Peter 1:20
Replies: 7
Views: 152

Re: 1 Peter 1:20

I'm thinking this idea of a spiritual resurrection comes from Dan. 12:1-3 (just like the "Son of Man" idea comes from Dan. 7:13-14). At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations un...
by John2
Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:02 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Peter 1:20
Replies: 7
Views: 152

Re: 1 Peter 1:20

I take 1 Peter 1:18-20 the same way as Rom. 16:25-26 (whether the latter is an interpolation or not); Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now reve...
by John2
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The baptism and death of Jesus as bookends (for John2).
Replies: 7
Views: 185

Re: The baptism and death of Jesus as bookends (for John2).

This would also explain why the Holy Spirit was able to appear in other Christians and give them Jesus-like powers too. The Holy Spirit doesn't need a throne, it comes and goes as God (and Jesus) pleases, all while Jesus's divine-like, angelic-like spiritual body is presumably sitting at the right h...
by John2
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The baptism and death of Jesus as bookends (for John2).
Replies: 7
Views: 185

Re: The baptism and death of Jesus as bookends (for John2).

But wait a second. I'm still confused (this whole subject is confusing!). What "spirit" is sitting at the right hand of God in heaven, the one that left Jesus at his death or Jesus' spiritual body that was made from his physical body (as per Paul)? I would say the latter. I think the "spirit" that e...
by John2
Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The baptism and death of Jesus as bookends (for John2).
Replies: 7
Views: 185

Re: The baptism and death of Jesus as bookends (for John2).

I'm fine with the parallels between the "spirit" entering Jesus at his baptism and leaving him at his death. The only thing that would dissuade me of that now would be to press for a narrow definition of ekpneo to mean to stop breathing without the "suggestion" of something more, but even if that we...
by John2
Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Question on GMark's Adoptionism vs. the Empty Tomb
Replies: 74
Views: 2006

Re: Question on GMark's Adoptionism vs. the Empty Tomb

In fact, Job 42:10-12 notes that after all of Job's sufferings (and wishing he had not been born) God restored his fortunes: ... the Lord restored his fortunes and gave him twice as much as he had before . All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in hi...
by John2
Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Question on GMark's Adoptionism vs. the Empty Tomb
Replies: 74
Views: 2006

Re: Question on GMark's Adoptionism vs. the Empty Tomb

I see that Mk. 14:21 is compared to Job 3:1-3: After this, Job opened his mouth and cursed the day of his birth. He said: “May the day of my birth perish ... And what happened to Job? He had various severe sufferings, but he didn't die from them, right? So does Mk. 14:21 necessarily mean that Judas ...