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by John2
Sat May 19, 2018 5:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Irenaeus's and Marcion's Christianity a Response to Celsus's 'True Word'?
Replies: 6
Views: 130

Re: Was Irenaeus's and Marcion's Christianity a Response to Celsus's 'True Word'?

Though he argues for a date of 175-176 CE based on the second passage, regarding Celsus' phrase "those who reign over us now" Droge writes: The treatise cannot be dated, as is often done, by the number of emperors to whom Celsus refers. For example, in C. Cels. 8.71 Celsus mentions, "those who reign...
by John2
Sat May 19, 2018 5:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Irenaeus's and Marcion's Christianity a Response to Celsus's 'True Word'?
Replies: 6
Views: 130

Re: Was Irenaeus's and Marcion's Christianity a Response to Celsus's 'True Word'?

1. No one knows when Celsus wrote but it seems to have been during a period when two Emperors ruled in Rome so the period of the joint rule of Marcus Aurelius and Lucius Verus and conversely Marcus Aurelius and Commodus are favored as dates). I've never looked into the dating of Celsus before. I ju...
by John2
Fri May 18, 2018 3:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Irenaeus's and Marcion's Christianity a Response to Celsus's 'True Word'?
Replies: 6
Views: 130

Re: Was Irenaeus's and Marcion's Christianity a Response to Celsus's 'True Word'?

But isn't (3) really a response to (2)? I would emend point 3 this way: 2. Celsus argued that Christianity shouldn't be tolerated (and Christians put to death) owing to their religion failing to demonstrate a connection with the deep past - i.e. it was wholly 'novel' and so lacked the basis to its ...
by John2
Thu May 17, 2018 3:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 130
Views: 9589

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Ben cited: Josephus, Antiquities 8.3.9 §95: 95 Solomon made all these things for the honor of God, with great variety and magnificence, sparing no cost, but using all possible liberality in adorning the temple; and these things he dedicated to the treasures of God. He also placed a partition round a...
by John2
Thu May 17, 2018 3:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 130
Views: 9589

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Also, I quoted Josephus as mentioning a barrier which was "for the exclusion of the multitude from coming into the temple, and showing that it was a place that was free and open only for the priests [εἴρξοντα μὲν τοὺς πολλοὺς τῆς εἰς τὸ ἱερὸν εἰσόδου, μόνοις δὲ ἀνειμένην αὐτὴν τοῖς ἱερεῦσι σημανοῦν...
by John2
Thu May 17, 2018 3:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 130
Views: 9589

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Let's also bear in mind that the Pharisees (who were in charge of the Sanhedrin during this period according to Josephus) tended to not execute people, so one might assume this was the case regarding non-priests being in the Temple (as per Sanhedrin above). Ant. 13.10.6: Now there was one Jonathan, ...
by John2
Thu May 17, 2018 2:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 130
Views: 9589

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Read each one of those passages carefully. The passage from Sanhedrin, for example, is about which acts lead to punishment by death outside the temple. It does not allow nonpriests into the temple. What about here? San. 82b-83a: ... if the priest performs any of these sacrificial rites outside the ...
by John2
Thu May 17, 2018 1:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 130
Views: 9589

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

What great subject, Ben (and thanks again for the information). Regarding Num. 1:51, as I go down the list on Google books, this caught my eye: Rashi qualifies the "coming near" to involve the performance of priestly tasks. In other words it is not the physical presence of the stranger that is being...
by John2
Thu May 17, 2018 1:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 130
Views: 9589

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Ben wrote: Given that only descendants of Levi could be priests, and that only priests were allowed into the temple proper (the "holy place"), these legalities forbid nonpriests from entering, do they not? What you need is not evidence that Nazirites (provided they were not descended from Levi) were...
by John2
Thu May 17, 2018 1:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 130
Views: 9589

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Regarding Bauckham's suggestion that James entering the "holy place" is based (partly) on the description of the sons of Zadok in Ezek. 44 (and bearing in mind that the subject in Hegesippus is priests who aren't really priests, i.e, Nazirites and Rechabites), it reminds me that the Damascus Documen...