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by John2
Wed May 01, 2024 3:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 101
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Well, there is certainly precedence for a holy man and God ignoring someone's plea for forgiveness (Jer. 37:3: "Please pray to the Lord our God for us!"), and for the reasons I've given, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to suppose that Josephus' Simon and Acts' Simon are the same pe...
by John2
Wed May 01, 2024 2:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 101
Views: 2447

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

If Marcion's "originality" depends on his connection with Simon (via Philip), from my point of view it looks like a bad connection, since both Peter and Josephus condemn him. If. If you assume that Simon's plea for forgiveness was just ignored by Peter, or by God. If. If you assume that S...
by John2
Wed May 01, 2024 11:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 101
Views: 2447

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

If Marcion's "originality" depends on his connection with Simon (via Philip), from my point of view it looks like a bad connection, since both Peter and Josephus condemn him. The way the idea looks to me is that this Simon was a bad influence on some high level people (Felix and Drusilla),...
by John2
Wed May 01, 2024 10:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 101
Views: 2447

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Acts 24:24-26: 24After several days, Felix returned with his wife Drusilla, who was a Jewess. He sent for Paul and listened to him speak about faith in Christ Jesus . 25As Paul expounded on righteousness, self-control, and the coming judgment, Felix became frightened and said, “You may go for now. W...
by John2
Wed May 01, 2024 10:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 101
Views: 2447

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Galilee is roughly the area supposedly occupied by Zebulun and Naphtali in the OT. Andrew Criddle I stand for corrected!! Thanks for the clarification. What makes the connection even closer to me is that Josephus' magician Simon and early Christians knew Felix and the Herodian princesses Drusilla a...
by John2
Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 101
Views: 2447

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

it doesn't seem implausible to me if this Simon interacted with Christians, In Acts, he *was* a Christian. He became a Christian, by interacting with Christians. seeing that they all lived in the same place and were active at the same time. They all lived a few blocks away from the Temple in Jerusa...
by John2
Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 101
Views: 2447

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Another way to look at it (assuming Josephus' Simon is the same as the one in Acts) Assuming pigs had wings, they could fly. John2, do you believe Acts is history? That every episode it talks about actually happened, as written? I do think Acts is history, but I look at it this way. As an old websi...
by John2
Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 101
Views: 2447

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Another way to look at it (assuming Josephus' Simon is the same as the one in Acts) is that anyone who knew Josephus (like the I assume the author of Acts did) would know that this Simon was a nefarious person. Do you suppose (in this scenario) that Acts intended to change Simon's image (to no avail...
by John2
Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 101
Views: 2447

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Well, but if he was Josephus' magician Simon, then he was a real person, like Theudas and Judas the Galilean. If. Reminds me of what the Spartans told Philip of Macedon, when he sent a message to the Spartans, "You are advised to submit without further delay, for if I bring my army into your l...
by John2
Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 101
Views: 2447

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

My guess is that the author of Luke/Acts knew Josephus and incorporated his "bad" guy magician Simon into his work, the same way they incorporated the "bad" guys Theudas and Judas the Galilean. Theudas and Judas remain "bad" guys in Acts and so does Simon. In a sense i...