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by cienfuegos
Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
Replies: 132
Views: 44978

Re: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism

The strength of the HJ argument is that it at least has some direct evidence, unlike MJ. The strength of the MJ argument is just the weakness of the HJ argument. Both sides should concentrate on the evidence and not the conclusions. HJ largely ignores/denies proper consideration of witness evidence...
by cienfuegos
Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
Replies: 1208
Views: 259773

Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang

As GDon continues to contrive ways to make this a confusing issue, it might help to consider this passage from the LXX Zec 2:10 - 13 10 Rejoice and be glad, O daughter of Sion: for, behold, I come, and will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord. 11 And many nations shall flee for refuge to the ...
by cienfuegos
Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
Replies: 1208
Views: 259773

Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang

ah, ok Ben. I agree that Carrier has been 'economical' with scholarly explanation. MrMacSon: I have long since decided that nitpicking on this site is not worth the aggravation. Carrier was clear enough in OHJ and has made this point abundantly clear again in his reply to Giuseppe. "Secret Alias" h...
by cienfuegos
Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
Replies: 1208
Views: 259773

Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang

PS. I will kindly ignore Josephus as evidence of anything. Even though that passage is of dubious significance it is, however, a somewhat interesting alignment. If you say so, :) . It means nothing to me, besides Josephus is a rotten witness of his time. Arnaldo Momigliano writes : “It is our task ...
by cienfuegos
Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
Replies: 1208
Views: 259773

Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang

Interesting, this Christian website seems to mimic the mindset Carrier is suggesting Philo and other 'pre-Christian' thinkers had (my last post referred to Ezra 5:1-2 which clearly identifies Jesus, son of Josedek as the rebuilder of the Temple after Babylon captivity). IOW Jesus is name of the Bra...
by cienfuegos
Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 71342

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

You seek to discredit [Carrier's] thesis by discrediting him. Not so. I disagree with his thesis that Paul believed Jesus was crucified in outer-space for the reasons stated. I have lost respect for him as a person not because of his reading of Paul, but due to the way he handles himself when confr...
by cienfuegos
Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
Replies: 139
Views: 65246

Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je

Richard Carrier has responded to my second question. I've quoted it below (my bolding): http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/8161#comments You don’t seem to understand how words originate. People mean euhemerizing is historicizing because that is the only distinctive thing Euhemerus did. Th...
by cienfuegos
Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the Rejection of Jewish Origin for Xristianity = Laziness
Replies: 195
Views: 66159

Re: Is the Rejection of Jewish Origin for Xristianity = Lazi

To this end, I have to wonder again, how can there be any doubt that Jesus = Ishu. It's not just the second century Church Fathers, it's not just Marcion but even the very earliest heretics (= Simon Magus) and the earliest reports about the Christian heretics (= minim) all say that Jesus was the se...
by cienfuegos
Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Two New Articles on Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 108
Views: 78207

Re: Two New Articles on Testimonium Flavianum

Stephan Huller wrote:spin is as good as any scholar. Doesn't mean I always agree with him but the fact that he cites himself in a forum doesn't mean the argument should be disregarded. He's a rebel. He's not big on authority.
No, not as long as he posts anonymously.
by cienfuegos
Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier's numbers and math in OHJ
Replies: 228
Views: 77574

Re: Carrier's numbers and math in OHJ

That is a major question for me in how Carrier uses Bayes. For example, for the prior probability, Carrier uses the Rank-Raglan scale, and comes up with 1:15 odds as worst case for historicity. Assuming for argument's sake that Carrier is correct. But he uses it later in his Bayes to give odds of 1...