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by Ben C. Smith
Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Deconstructed Letters of Paulos
Replies: 18
Views: 3405

Re: Deconstructed Letters of Paulos

^ What do you think Ben? Are we on to something or are we just off on a flight of fantasy? Edit: Please don't mistake my brevity for a lack of interest in this subject. I am very interested in your views on this. If you have posted on this subject before some links would be very welcome. No, I thin...
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Deconstructed Letters of Paulos
Replies: 18
Views: 3405

Re: Deconstructed Letters of Paulos

1Co11:23 - 28 I also feel is possibly a interpolation, and 14:34 - 35 is without doubt one also (not so sure about 14:33 though) . Anyone desiring manuscript support for this one has to be content with verses 34-35 only; those are the ones which have been transposed in some manuscripts: 1 Corinthia...
by Ben C. Smith
Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Legion of Jesuses in Josephus
Replies: 43
Views: 538

Re: The Legion of Jesuses in Josephus

Secret Alias wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:23 am
The only way to know what strange is is by figuring out what normal is.
Then we are all doomed here.
by Ben C. Smith
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Those stupid disciples!
Replies: 50
Views: 836

Re: Those stupid disciples!

It says that Martin Klatt edited (deleted) his opening post around an hour before I posted my response on Saturday - but the OP was still up hours after I posted. I usually wouldn't care, but it makes me look like a bit of jackass here. Go through his overall post history (there are only 56 right n...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias of Hiersaypolis
Replies: 6
Views: 980

Re: Papias Fiction

Despite my many scholarly faults I fully accept that you are not only the best source for what Ben Smith thinks but that that source is unrivaled. Thanks. It appears that Carlson and I do disagree on what the logia are referring to in the title of Papias' composition; he apparently thinks that they...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias of Hiersaypolis
Replies: 6
Views: 980

Re: Papias Fiction

Carlson, contra Ben, rightly (I think) concludes that Papias wrote alot but it was primarily theological/polemical and not commentary on GMark/GMatthew. I agree that it was (probably) not primarily commentary on the gospels of Mark and Matthew. I have never thought it was primarily commentary on wr...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Legion of Jesuses in Josephus
Replies: 43
Views: 538

Re: The Legion of Jesuses in Josephus

davidlau17, I cane up with 17,* but a couple could be the same person. FWIW, the vast number of mentions of the name "Jesus" in Josephus' works referred to Joshua son of Nun in the books of the Antiquities (67 times). Jesus/(Joshua) son of Nun is mentioned only once in War . Joshua the son of Nun s...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Legion of Jesuses in Josephus
Replies: 43
Views: 538

Re: The Legion of Jesuses in Josephus

davidlau17, I cane up with 17,* but a couple could be the same person. FWIW, the vast number of mentions of the name "Jesus" in Josephus' works referred to Joshua son of Nun in the books of the Antiquities (67 times). Jesus/(Joshua) son of Nun is mentioned only once in War . Joshua the son of Nun s...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Legion of Jesuses in Josephus
Replies: 43
Views: 538

Re: The Legion of Jesuses in Josephus

So basically, it looks like I jumped the gun in assuming that the number of men named Jesus was abnormal in Josephus. The lack of Jesuses mentioned in the NT is probably the odder phenomenon - but it is an easily explainable one. Since the Christ's name was Jesus, those who may have shared his name...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Legion of Jesuses in Josephus
Replies: 43
Views: 538

Re: The Legion of Jesuses in Josephus

Tal Ilan, in Lexicon of Jewish Names in Late Antiquity, Part I, Palestine 330 BCE-200 CE (2002) 56, 126-33, 449 documented 103 men named Joshua, the sixth most popular male name in this collection. I'm familiar with that work - but if you mean to indicate that roughly 103/ 449 Jewish men in Palesti...