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by Ben C. Smith
Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where Did the Doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection Come From?
Replies: 20
Views: 145

Re: Where Did the Doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection Come From?

Thank you. Very useful. But regarding this: But, as I said, Christianity is not an independent instance in this case: it obviously got the doctrine from Judaism. Philo makes clear that "Jews" - the true Oniad tradition - expected the promise of heavenly translation. Gen 15:5 = astral life. Somehow ...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where Did the Doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection Come From?
Replies: 20
Views: 145

Re: Where Did the Doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection Come From?

I don't have the page open in front of me but I think you may have misread the references. It says that evidence for a Samaritan belief in the resurrection is unclear up through the fourteenth century. That is what I was responding to. For the Samaritan religion to have adopted the belief so long a...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where Did the Doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection Come From?
Replies: 20
Views: 145

Re: Where Did the Doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection Come From?

But the Samaritans - who base all their exegesis on the Torah- also adopted it, even though the Pentateuch says nothing about it. https://books.google.com/books?id=pzo6KAH3FmUC&pg=PA283&dq=resurrection+samaritan&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizp4q-xa_mAhXMrZ4KHcyiCKoQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=resurrection%20sam...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where Did the Doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection Come From?
Replies: 20
Views: 145

Re: Where Did the Doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection Come From?

The concept was actually employed in the North (Elijah and Elisha), albeit merely as a superlative example of a miracle rather than as a point of theology. But do the resurrection of dead individuals necessarily translate to the existence of a universal judgement after the end of the world where th...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where Did the Doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection Come From?
Replies: 20
Views: 145

Re: Where Did the Doctrine of the Bodily Resurrection Come From?

Jewish sources make clear that ancients argued the belief is unsupported by the Torah - there are no passages which argue for a resurrection. Nevertheless Jews, Samaritans and Christians all agree on this doctrinal point - even though more ancient traditions in each denied it originally. Why did it...
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 93
Views: 1460

Re: Marcion's Gospel

Ehrman wrote that - https://books.google.com/books?id=URdACxKubDIC&pg=PA102&dq=gospel+of+ebionites+mark&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwig6Iip56vmAhU_JTQIHTpZAu4Q6AEwBHoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=gospel%20of%20ebionites%20mark&f=false. I will give my best attempt at arguing that the original...
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 93
Views: 1460

Re: Marcion's Gospel

That is interesting. If that is the case, I wonder if they called it Matthew because it was based on a similar Matthew-type source that Luke used (what some call "Q"). Being a Farrer Hypothesis guy, I've been wondering what version of Matthew could have been used by the author of Luke. Is it possib...
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 93
Views: 1460

Re: Marcion's Gospel

Ehrman FWIW identifies the Ebionite gospel as a harmony: For one thing, this particular Gospel of the Ebionites appears to have been a "harmonization" of the New Testament Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. As such your theory doesn't have a leg to stand on. Not surprising in fact given that Epiph...
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 93
Views: 1460

Re: Marcion's Gospel

The "patristic reconstruction" I was referring to is that some Jewish Christians claimed to have a gospel written by Matthew. That is all I was talking about.
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 93
Views: 1460

Re: Marcion's Gospel

But the Ebionite gospel appears to have claimed authorship by Matthew, since it has Jesus referring to Matthew in the second person: "you, Matthew." This datum, in conjunction with Irenaeus' claim that the Ebionites used "only" the gospel of Matthew, is what makes me suspect that there is something...