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by Ben C. Smith
Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul’s Jesus – Creature of the Scriptures or Recent Figure?
Replies: 8
Views: 2503

Re: Paul’s Jesus – Creature of the Scriptures or Recent Figure?

I apologize again for not responding to this before, and then for forgetting that you ever wrote it. I can no longer remember why I did not respond at the time. This will be brief. For while we were still (ἔτι) helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. (Romans 5.6, NASB) ἔτι γὰρ Χριστ...
by Ben C. Smith
Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul the First to Assert that Jesus was Crucified?
Replies: 79
Views: 20114

Re: Was Paul the First to Assert that Jesus was Crucified?

Ah, you are correct. My memory is not what it used to be. And on that other thread I can see that I am actually the one who did not respond to your latest post. My apologies.
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 96
Views: 21125

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben: As of this particular moment, I think that your suggestion for which line may be answering to "he was the Christ" is less plausible than the possibility that pseudo-Hegesippus had the gospels in mind for that line. But I am open to being persuaded otherwise. Glad to hear it. Ken: Actually, it ...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 96
Views: 21125

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben, I'm still working on a response on the order of the Testimonium within the account of Pilate's governorship, but I'll reply to this first. Ben: The intended relationship between Josephus' own testimony and these explanatory details is not entirely clear to me, but I am not sure we are supposed...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 96
Views: 21125

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

I'm never going to complete a comprehensive response to Ben's last post in this thread, so I'm just going to try to respond to two points here - and one in a follow up. Ben: You make some excellent points here. Two questions: Does pseudo-Hegesippus testify in any meaningful way to the line in quest...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could the Church Fathers Have Believed that Matthew was the Hebrew Gospel - and it used the LXX?
Replies: 3
Views: 64

Re: How Could the Church Fathers Have Believed that Matthew was the Hebrew Gospel - and it used the LXX?

I principally read the writings of early Christianity to witness firsthand what the limits of credulity are. But here's something I wrestled with this morning. If Matthew was supposed to be the 'Jewish gospel' written 'in the Hebrew dialect' - how could the prophetic utterances have accorded with t...
by Ben C. Smith
Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul the First to Assert that Jesus was Crucified?
Replies: 79
Views: 20114

Re: Was Paul the First to Assert that Jesus was Crucified?

If each individual piece of purported evidence for a recent death of Jesus in Paul’s letters can be dismantled --- with arguments consistent with Pauline thought --- then perhaps Paul was not writing about a recent human figure at all. What I am saying is that no cumulative argument is safe from th...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul the First to Assert that Jesus was Crucified?
Replies: 79
Views: 20114

Re: Was Paul the First to Assert that Jesus was Crucified?

When plucked out of context, and with this questionable translation, Romans 5:6 may seem to represent the death of Christ as a recent historical event. This is just one indication among many in the Pauline epistles. Each individual piece may well be subject to the kind of deconstructive dismantling...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Legion of Jesuses in Josephus
Replies: 48
Views: 1098

Re: The Legion of Jesuses in Josephus

Thanks for qualifying your list to the forum with: 'It was simply meant to be read at face value.' Why then, have you not qualified your actual list? Where has Josephus archived a Jesus, surnamed brother of James? And also the corollary, where has Josephus identified a James, surnamed brother of Je...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Deconstructed Letters of Paulos
Replies: 39
Views: 3930

Re: Deconstructed Letters of Paulos

Payne has written quite a bit about 1 Corinthians 14.34-35. At least two of his articles are available online.