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by Ben C. Smith
Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Demonstrating Q (Quelle) was a document and "Luke" did not know gMatthew.
Replies: 12
Views: 415

Re: Demonstrating Q (Quelle) was a document and "Luke" did not know gMatthew.

4) On page 141 "For if one assumes the Farrer theory, Q is constituted by those parts of Matthew's non-Markan material that appealed to Luke." But that's not what I found: "Luke" reproduced a Q saying dead against the author's Gentile outlook (gLuke 2:29-32, 7:4-10; Acts 10:1-48,11:1-18, etc.): gLu...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The tetrarchies in Luke 3.1-2.
Replies: 9
Views: 143

Re: The tetrarchies in Luke 3.1-2.

This assumption would explain why we have so many rulers listed, at least one of them not easy to identify. What do you think? Might they be related to the idea of Paul's "rulers of this age" who crucified Christ? It's a very vague connection, of course. If Annas and Caiaphas are named in Luke 3.1-...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The tetrarchies in Luke 3.1-2.
Replies: 9
Views: 143

Re: The tetrarchies in Luke 3.1-2.

Perhaps interestingly, Ken, I am almost positive that the sleepy thoughts which birthed this idea were under the influence of a recent thread of your own: This seems to be how Luke took it. I am not, of course, claiming that Luke was unable to understand what Matthew meant, but that he engaged in a...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The tetrarchies in Luke 3.1-2.
Replies: 9
Views: 143

Re: The tetrarchies in Luke 3.1-2.

Perhaps interestingly, Ken, I am almost positive that the sleepy thoughts which birthed this idea were under the influence of a recent thread of your own: This seems to be how Luke took it. I am not, of course, claiming that Luke was unable to understand what Matthew meant, but that he engaged in a ...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The tetrarchies in Luke 3.1-2.
Replies: 9
Views: 143

Re: The tetrarchies in Luke 3.1-2.

That's certainly plausible, Ben, but I wonder how you could provide more evidence for that, or if the evidence is exhausted at that point. Perhaps providing examples other writers that use the term Tetrarch as one of a set four rulers. Any examples of that in Greek (naturally) would help, but examp...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The tetrarchies in Luke 3.1-2.
Replies: 9
Views: 143

The tetrarchies in Luke 3.1-2.

I had a random thought while waking up this morning that may already be obvious to everyone else, but which I do not think has ever occurred to me before, about the synchronism in Luke 3.1-2: Luke 3.1-2: 1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of...
by Ben C. Smith
Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Replies: 84
Views: 2185

Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.

Same here, though I seem to be less bothered specifically by his lack of naming the apostles in the Dialogue and especially in the Apologies than you are. (Please understand that none of this is an attempt to smuggle in the canonical four. I honestly do not know the exact state of Justin's gospel t...
by Ben C. Smith
Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Replies: 84
Views: 2185

Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.

Same here, though I seem to be less bothered specifically by his lack of naming the apostles in the Dialogue and especially in the Apologies than you are. (Please understand that none of this is an attempt to smuggle in the canonical four. I honestly do not know the exact state of Justin's gospel t...
by Ben C. Smith
Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Replies: 84
Views: 2185

Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.

It seems possible to me that the anonymity of Marcion's (and Valentinus') Gospel(s) was not so much a genuine problem for the likes of Justin and Tertullian as it was a weapon in their hands against their opponents. (The problem of an anonymous gospel text, after all, was fixed in a heartbeat simpl...
by Ben C. Smith
Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Replies: 84
Views: 2185

Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.

Why, then, mention authorship by "those who followed" here (the other specific reference), apparently in connection with the story in Luke 22:43-44? There is no gospel witness that I can find for this anywhere outside of the Gospel of Luke. What's more, it appears to be absent from the Gospel of Lu...