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by Ben C. Smith
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?
Replies: 30
Views: 263

Re: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?

It sounds like you think that Paul simply lies as the case changes. When he is on his agenda against the Law, he pretends that he himself struggles to keep it, and sin reigns supreme; but in other contexts he can claim to have kept the Law blamelessly. In some contexts, circumcision has no value; i...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?
Replies: 30
Views: 263

Re: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?

That is my verse for you. :D Not only does the Law not grant the inheritance, but its purpose never was to grant the inheritance; the Covenant is what did that. That is my point. But whatever the Torah's purpose may have been (for Paul), it is no longer necessary in his view. Why, then, was the law...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?
Replies: 30
Views: 263

Re: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?

That is my verse for you. :D Not only does the Law not grant the inheritance, but its purpose never was to grant the inheritance; the Covenant is what did that. That is my point. But whatever the Torah's purpose may have been (for Paul), it is no longer necessary in his view. Why, then, was the law...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?
Replies: 30
Views: 263

Re: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?

So which is it? Is the Law easy to keep, or is it so difficult that sin (which is imputed only through the Law, according to Romans 5.13) always gets the upper hand? It's easy, like Deuteronomy and Mark say. And as God says regarding sin in Gen. 4:7: If you do what is right, will you not be accepte...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?
Replies: 30
Views: 263

Re: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?

Here is how Paul puts it in Gal. 3:16-19: The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the cove...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?
Replies: 30
Views: 263

Re: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?

You and I agree that, according to Paul, neither Jews nor Gentiles are justified by works of the Law. That is not the same thing as saying that Jews, on the whole, ought not to follow the Law. But saying that they don't need to observe the Torah to obtain salvation is effectively saying the same th...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?
Replies: 30
Views: 263

Re: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?

Ben wrote: ... I pretty much reject the notion that Paul negated the Law for Jews. Okay, and we don't have to debate it, but I thought I'd say that I think Paul does negate the Torah for Jews, or he at best thinks that they can observe it if they want to but it has no effect on their "salvation." A...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?
Replies: 30
Views: 263

Re: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?

So Paul himself is making a distinction between his position regarding the necessity of Torah observance and James', and I call this position "Pauline." For Paul there is no longer even a distinction between Jews and Greeks (Gal. 3:28). He basically nullifies Jews and Torah-keeping Judaism, which i...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: No “Son of Man” in Marcion
Replies: 28
Views: 232

Re: No “Son of Man” in Marcion

Assume Marcionite priority, and my point still either stands or falls on its own merits. No, Ben. I disagree with this. If Marcion comes before Mark, the fact that the Fathers of the Church report that “Son of Man” was found in their version of Marcion's Gospel is still not evidence of the real pre...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?
Replies: 30
Views: 263

Re: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?

Ben wrote: Those categories (Petrine, Pauline, Jewish Christian) are obviously far more solidly delineated in your mind than in mine. I think they're all Jewish Christian in the sense that I see Christianity as being Jewish (specifically a faction of the Fourth Philosophy), with the distinction bei...