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by Ben C. Smith
Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)
Replies: 10
Views: 233

Re: 2018 Klinghardt books

Could it be that the Epistolarian hadn't received the name Paul yet at the time of Justin? How far would this go toward explaining the degree of contact we find between Justin and Paul? That Pauline influence seems limited mainly to scriptural quotations seems weird no matter what name the epistles...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)
Replies: 10
Views: 233

Re: 2018 Klinghardt books

Vinzent thinks there are indications that Justin knew Paul through Marcion but rejected Marcion's apparent reverence for Paul's theology (or aspects of it, at least). Yes, more work definitely needs to be done on Paul and Justin Martyr. On the one hand, Justin seems to take after Papias in some way...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)
Replies: 10
Views: 233

Re: 2018 Klinghardt books

The Oldest Gospel: Klinghardt Edition , Quiet Waters Publications, July 2018 by Matthias Klinghardt (Contributor),‎ Stephen Trobisch (Translator),‎ David Trobisch (Preface) This gospel was first published by Marcion of Sinope as part of a collection that also contained ten letters of Paul. Its titl...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Boink the Step-Mother? – Look Out Below (1 Cor 5:5)
Replies: 19
Views: 1650

Re: Boink the Step-Mother? – Look Out Below (1 Cor 5:5)

Whose spirit will be saved? The one whose flesh is destroyed? Or the collective spirit of the Corinthian community perhaps? For whatever it may be worth, Fitzmyer seems to agree with your suggestion that the spirit is not the man's own: Joseph A. Fitzmyer, Commentary on 1 Corinthians , pages 239-24...
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is it Fair to Say that Joseph of Arimathea Was Introduced to Prove the Empty Tomb Was Miraculous?
Replies: 38
Views: 672

Re: Is it Fair to Say that Joseph of Arimathea Was Introduced to Prove the Empty Tomb Was Miraculous?

That's so self-serving. So typical of you. .... I truly hate the way you abuse texts. When my elder daughter was just a toddler, if ever we were outside together on an evening during which the moon was visible, however faintly, I would ask her, "Where's the moon?" She would scan the sky all over fo...
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed
Replies: 12
Views: 168

Re: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed

Giuseppe wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:35 pm
But the only way a phantom can "delude" is only if it is the fruit of the own imagination. So that is what is implying Chrysostom.
Nonsense. :facepalm: A phantom can delude you into thinking it is really a human.
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed
Replies: 12
Views: 168

Re: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed

There are three separate notions: Jesus appeared, and was a man. Jesus appeared, and was a phantom. Jesus did not appear at all. You are confusing #2 with #3. Not only me, but Chrysostom is using that confusion as reductio ad absurdum of the marcionite belief. For him, #2 implies #3. For marcionite...
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed
Replies: 12
Views: 168

Re: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed

Jesus not being a man (in your text) and Jesus not existing (in your clickbait title) are two very different things. Lots of things exist, or are at least thought to exist, which are not men. but Chrysostom's apology seems to confuse/identify deliberately the two things: The Word who was God did no...
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed
Replies: 12
Views: 168

Re: A lost text of Paul preserved by Marcion denies that Jesus really existed

Jesus not being a man (in your text) and Jesus not existing (in your clickbait title) are two very different things. Lots of things exist, or are at least thought to exist, which are not men.