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by Ben C. Smith
Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Jesus already dead before the cruxifixion?
Replies: 14
Views: 144

Re: Is Jesus already dead before the cruxifixion?

An addition I should do. The Latin expression: Et princips mundi illius extendet manum suam in filium dei, et occidet illum, et suspendet illum in ligno et occidit nesciens qui sit. ...is very similar in a modern proposition in Italian (I would believe that the thing is seen less in English), since...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Jesus already dead before the cruxifixion?
Replies: 14
Views: 144

Re: Is Jesus already dead before the cruxifixion?

Giuseppe wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:16 am
Thanks, Ben!
Ben C. Smith wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:57 am
calling it "an obvious interpolation" in footnote 8.
I like the irony of “”. :whistling:
It is just a direct quotation.
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Jesus already dead before the cruxifixion?
Replies: 14
Views: 144

Re: Is Jesus already dead before the cruxifixion?

Could this be a translation issue? The English translation of the Ethiopic version: 9:14 (not 18:14): http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ascension.html And the god of that world will stretch forth his hand against the Son, and they will crucify Him on a tree, and will slay Him not knowing w...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul's proprietary invention of "the gospel"
Replies: 3
Views: 73

Re: Paul's proprietary invention of "the gospel"

I wanted to clarify my point about Paul from that other thread. I was not discussing the origins of the Christian usage of the term "gospel." Rather, I was discussing the origins of the texts (specifically, the genre of those texts) which are now known as gospels, but which may not have been known ...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul's proprietary invention of "the gospel"
Replies: 3
Views: 73

Re: Paul's proprietary invention of "the gospel"

Subject: Significance of the Gospel of Thomas if the Canonical Gospels are late? I personally think that Paul's influence has been somewhat overblown, and suspect that at least some gospel texts would/could have been written even if Paul had never existed. In some circles, yes, Paul is paramount. I...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does ‘The man with the withered hand’ (Mk 3:1-6) discuss the issue of warfare on the Sabbath?
Replies: 2
Views: 46

Re: Does ‘The man with the withered hand’ (Mk 3:1-6) discuss the issue of warfare on the Sabbath?

To my eye, the clearest back reference is found in the Hebrew scriptures: Mark 3.1-6: 1 He entered again into a synagogue; and a man was there whose hand was withered [ἐξηραμμένην]. 2 They were watching Him to see if He would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse Him. 3 He says to the m...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Significance of the Gospel of Thomas if the Canonical Gospels are late?
Replies: 14
Views: 225

Re: Significance of the Gospel of Thomas if the Canonical Gospels are late?

Hope this is relevant. Here are some of my questions about the "gospel" title and genre-- 1) What explains the use of the same word for two very different types of writing: bioi (narratives) on the one hand, and wisdom/parenetic discourses on the other (such as gThomas, gPhilip, gTruth) (I personal...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Significance of the Gospel of Thomas if the Canonical Gospels are late?
Replies: 14
Views: 225

Re: Significance of the Gospel of Thomas if the Canonical Gospels are late?

It is a good book, I got a little bogged down in the second half when he analyzes the Q sayings as I'm not well read in the Q-two source hypothesis arguments, but the first half is fascinating and really drives home the point that at least Luke is later and reviewed 'many' sources in composing his ...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Significance of the Gospel of Thomas if the Canonical Gospels are late?
Replies: 14
Views: 225

Re: Significance of the Gospel of Thomas if the Canonical Gospels are late?

vridar has reviewed MacDonald's Two Shipwrecked Gospels where he reconstructs what he thinks the format of Papias' Exposition was like, IOW it's not just a sayings collection as you're implying MacDonald makes some good points (I have read this book of his). Also, I think the term logia trips peopl...
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is "blasphemy against the holy spirit" a Markan invention?
Replies: 25
Views: 4922

Re: Is "blasphemy against the holy spirit" a Markan invention?

Define "hardly". My experience with this discussion has felt like something to the effect: 'I have a better explanation for the meaning of the text than your explanation, so I don't even need to know your explanation'. I can't escape thinking, that you are discarding any need to investigate the tex...