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by Ben C. Smith
Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 103
Views: 4845

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

Common Source is the problem. It postulates an additional source. Without secret Mark no such source is required for Mark or John. That of course depends on what sort of gospel Secret Mark is and when it was made – supposing it’s genuine. I'd say it would not postulate an additional source. If, as ...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16
Replies: 77
Views: 1569

Re: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16

Ben, it is very unfair of you to use logic and valid counter-examples against my weak arguments! :D Yes, I can't really mount an argument beyond my own feelings on the matter: that the specification of "crucifixion" implies more than just influencing actors to act, but a more direct involvement. Bu...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16
Replies: 77
Views: 1569

Re: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16

Giuseppe wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:52 am
Can someone confute the my point about 1 Thess 2:14-16 as interpolation?

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Yes. But no: because I am so done with the likes of you and Ethan. Not just on this thread, but altogether. Proceed in ignorance.
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16
Replies: 77
Views: 1569

Re: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16

Satan is acting through unspecified (unmentioned) agents in the Thessalonian passage, and through the (unmentioned) jailers in the passage from Revelation. that is precisely the my point ! How can you be so blind about it? Since the author is naming human people, then any occurrence of "Satan" requ...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16
Replies: 77
Views: 1569

Re: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16

(In my post or posts above, instead of "human," Jesus could simply appear to be human, and the same effect is achieved.)
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16
Replies: 77
Views: 1569

Re: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16

Secret Alias wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:22 am
But Giuseppe has a hunch it is so, so it must be true. It is amazing how everyone who deals with these people ends up sounding like me, it just takes them longer to get there. I must have a shorter fuse ...
It adds up over time. My patience is vast, yet still finite.
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16
Replies: 77
Views: 1569

Re: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16

Satan is acting through unspecified (unmentioned) agents in the Thessalonian passage, and through the (unmentioned) jailers in the passage from Revelation. that is precisely the my point ! How can you be so blind about it? Since the author is naming human people, then any occurrence of "Satan" requ...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16
Replies: 77
Views: 1569

Re: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16

Let us see. In red I put the human characters, in blue the mythological character: .... 1 Corinthians 5.5: 5 I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 2.17-18: 17 But we, brethren, havin...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16
Replies: 77
Views: 1569

Re: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16

This way we can have our cake and eat it too. Since others interpret Ps. 2 as referring to demonic rulers acting through humans, then the same thing could be going on in Paul, and thus 1 Cor. 2 and 1 Thess. 2:14-16 would not be in contradiction. I'm not so sure. If a cosmically important person lik...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16
Replies: 77
Views: 1569

Re: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16

This way we can have our cake and eat it too. Since others interpret Ps. 2 as referring to demonic rulers acting through humans, then the same thing could be going on in Paul, and thus 1 Cor. 2 and 1 Thess. 2:14-16 would not be in contradiction. I'm not so sure. If a cosmically important person lik...