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by Ben C. Smith
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16
Replies: 53
Views: 787

Re: 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 --- Interpolation or Not?

But "wrath has come upon them to the utmost" doesn't fit my proposal, since it seems to refer to the Jewish war. Perhaps just that part is an interpolation, but once one starts declaring parts that don't match "interpolations" for no other reason than to get a passage to fit, it shows a weakness in...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 2:13-16
Replies: 53
Views: 787

Re: 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 --- Interpolation or Not?

Paul presented his Jesus Christ as having “died for our sins according to the scriptures”. I think Paul’s Christ was “hung on wood” (Galatians 3:13) --- as derived from Deuteronomy 21:23 and 27:26 --- as a redemptive act in a Jewish tradition to set aside the Jewish law. And Paul’s Jesus Christ was...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:12 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Mustard Seed
Replies: 25
Views: 437

Re: Mustard Seed

Ethan wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:09 pm
and the earth and the earth - mistake
:facepalm:

:tombstone:
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:02 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Mustard Seed
Replies: 25
Views: 437

Re: Mustard Seed

Ethan wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:51 pm
Better translations fix the mistake, but people don't like admitting the KJV is wrong.
What mistake? You still have not pointed out a mistake.
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:14 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Mustard Seed
Replies: 25
Views: 437

Re: Mustard Seed

There is a transitioning problem between the verses in KJV that does not appear in the Vulgar or Septuagint.... Again, I am not seeing it: Genesis 1.1-2 NASB: 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth . 2 And the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the d...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:40 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Mustard Seed
Replies: 25
Views: 437

Re: Mustard Seed

Genesis 1, KJV 1611: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Genesis-Chapter-1 . If there is a versification problem between verse 1 and verse 2, I am not seeing it. And the Hebrew transition, which is translated in the KJV as "and," is simply that vav at the beginning of verse 2. After that comes...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The seven veils.
Replies: 26
Views: 324

Re: The seven veils.

Scott Brown's view of the sevenfold veil in “Behind the Seven Veils 1”. For the purposes of understanding the Letter to Theodore it is not necessary to be this precise. It is sufficient to realize that Strom. VI.8.68.1–3 presents the notion of Christ‘s unveiling of progressively higher levels of di...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The seven veils.
Replies: 26
Views: 324

Re: The seven veils.

Among the cuntiest of the forgery arguments https://books.google.com/books?id=aS3Z4E-DmIIC&pg=PA44&dq=seven+veils+clement&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRkpfY8PLfAhWrv1QKHQy6A6wQ6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q=seven%20veils%20clement&f=false Thank you. From the footnote: Talmud, Kethuboth 106a: There [it may be repli...
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The seven veils.
Replies: 26
Views: 324

The seven veils.

I have about as much interest in debating the (in)authenticity of Secret Mark as I do of having my eyeballs removed with a pen knife. But I am curious as to what the nonforgery position is on Peter Jeffrey's argument that the "seven veils" mentioned in the Mar Saba letter are an anachronistic callba...
by Ben C. Smith
Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Incarnation (or the lack thereof) in the Philippian hymn (revisited).
Replies: 30
Views: 3786

Re: Incarnation (or the lack thereof) in the Philippian hymn (revisited).

in the likeness of humans having become, and, having been found in shape as a human The phrase "having been found in shape as a human" implies that there were other possibilities -- we would never say this of someone that was necessarily and alway a human -- and that having been "found" this way is...