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by Secret Alias
Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion and Monarchia
Replies: 17
Views: 160

Re: Marcion and Monarchia

I don't see what you've demonstrated with that stunt.
by Secret Alias
Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion and Monarchia
Replies: 17
Views: 160

Re: Marcion and Monarchia

Not following you.
by Secret Alias
Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion and Monarchia
Replies: 17
Views: 160

Re: Marcion and Monarchia

And I'd like to take a moment to critique your methodology Giuseppe. When something agrees with your POV THAT'S WHEN YOU OWE IT TO YOURSELF TO BE MORE RIGOROUS in order to determine whether or not you accept the information or the study merely because it agrees with you. There is a surprising amount...
by Secret Alias
Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion and Monarchia
Replies: 17
Views: 160

Re: Marcion and Monarchia

This is the weakest sort of evidence. More like wacky interpretation taken earnestly owing to bad judgment. There is no evidence supporting a change in normative Judaism toward monarchianism in the first century owing to the war.
by Secret Alias
Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion and Monarchia
Replies: 17
Views: 160

Re: Marcion and Monarchia

Well against whatever you are going to quote is well recognized fact that in the same period Brent identifies as being influenced by an Imperial effort toward monarchianism (late second/early third centuries) also sees the Jewish liturgy use equivalent terminology to 'kosmokrator' https://books.goog...
by Secret Alias
Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion and Monarchia
Replies: 17
Views: 160

Re: Marcion and Monarchia

But where is the evidence for your assertion? Anyone can make up shit. Brent points to the late second/early third century for the emphasis and reshaping of traditional religion in line with the Imperial cult and monarchianism. But he, unlike you, provides evidence.
by Secret Alias
Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the Longer Ending
Replies: 15
Views: 188

Re: On the Longer Ending

You should read Trobisch in German on the formation of the canon. He argues the idea of making a set was part of the final redaction effort.
by Secret Alias
Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the Longer Ending
Replies: 15
Views: 188

Re: On the Longer Ending

The drinking poison thing seems to be influenced by Papias https://books.google.com/books?id=YCxTAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA172&lpg=PA172&dq=drink+poison+papias&source=bl&ots=C7d-YEr0Ky&sig=44u2PGYteFHPYGGrO0jcxtRq6X8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiXxNbr-7TWAhVmylQKHfRPDDMQ6AEINzAB#v=onepage&q=drink%20poison%20papias&f=...
by Secret Alias
Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 86
Views: 800

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

I mean, let's be honest - or as honest as each of can be. You get a sense of a person in today's world with social media and other 'non-academic' source material that wasn't true when von Campenhausen was active. Carrier has an agenda. If you can be 'evangelical' about mythicism he surely is an 'eva...
by Secret Alias
Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion and Monarchia
Replies: 17
Views: 160

Re: Marcion and Monarchia

An interesting point from Evans in his study of Adversus Praxean "In Liddell and Scott, uμουναρχία is quoted only in the political sense ..." μοναρχ-ία , Ion. μουναρχίη , ἡ, A.monarchy, government by a single ruler, Alc.Oxy. 1789 Fr.12, A.Th.883 (lyr., pl.), Hdt.3.82; “λαβὼν χώρας παντελῆ μ.” S.Ant....