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by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.
Replies: 68
Views: 468

Re: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.

Or this is a bit clearer: Εἶτ᾿ οὐκ οἶδ᾿ ὅπως ὁ Κέλσος τὴν προθυμίαν τῶν μέχρι θανάτου ἀγωνιζομένων ὑπὲρ τοῦ μὴ ἐξομόσασθαι χριστιανιασμὸν παρατιθέμενος ἐπιφέρει ὡσπερεὶ ἐξισῶν τὰ ἡμέτερα τοῖς ὑπὸ τῶν τελεστῶν καὶ μυσταγωγῶν λεγομένοις καί φησι· μάλιστα μὲν, ὦ βέλτιστε, ὥσπερ σὺ κολάσεις αἰωνίους νομ...
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.
Replies: 68
Views: 468

Re: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.

For instance: Ἴδωμεν δὲ καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς τῷ Κέλσῳ λεγόμενα. ἐν οἷς σφόδρα μὲν ἐλάχιστά ἐστι τὰ περὶ Χριστιανῶν πλεῖστα δὲ ὅσα περὶ Ἰουδαίων. φησὶν οὖν· εἰ μὲν δὴ κατὰ ταῦτα περιστέλλοιεν Ἰουδαῖοι τὸν ἴδιον νόμον, οὐ μεμπτὰ αὐτῶν, ἐκείνων δὲ μᾶλλον, τῶν καταλιπόντων τὰ σφέτερα καὶ τὰ Ἰουδαίων προσποιουμέν...
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.
Replies: 68
Views: 468

Re: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.

Here's an example of why the nomina sacra might have been developed: Ὅτι ἕνεκά σου θανατούμεθα ὅλην τἡν ἡμέραρ, ἐλογίσθημεν ὡς πρόβατα σφαγῆς, κ. τ. ἑ. Ὀ Παῦλός φησι (26)· Καθʼ ἡμέραν ἀποθνήσκω. νἠ τὴν ὑμετέραν καύχησιν, ἤν ἔχω ἐν Χριστῷ Ἴσοῦ . Διὰ τί δέφησιν, « ἕνεκα σοῦ; » Ὅτι ἐξῆν ἡμῖν μετατάξασθ...
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.
Replies: 68
Views: 468

Re: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.

We don't it's just an alternative theory right now. I do think that most people suppose that the name above all names is ΙΣ. I have always supposed it was the first nomen sacrum. I was influenced in that respect by Trobisch. We occasionally speak to one another.
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.
Replies: 68
Views: 468

Re: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.

I see over 500 instances of ἴσου in extant Greek MSS Sophocles, Oedipus Tyrannus, Line 627 (627) edition ἀλλʼ ἐξ ἴσου δεῖ κἀμόν. Aeschylus, Suppliant Maidens, Line 405 (405) edition τί τῶνδ᾽ ἐξ ἴσου ῥεπομένων μεταλ- Sophocles, Oedipus Tyrannus, Line 563 (563) edition σοφός γʼ ὁμοίως κἀξ ἴσου τιμώμεν...
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.
Replies: 68
Views: 468

Re: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.

I am more interested in the possibilities with ἴσος. So the genitive ΙΥ (ιυ) is supposed to be ίησοΰ or ί(η)σ(ο)ΰ. But the genitive masculine and neuter of ἴσος is ῐ̓́σου as well. One less 'missing letter' and according to our theory the genitive of the Hebrew 'ish' expressed in Greek as ΙΣ would al...
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.
Replies: 68
Views: 468

Re: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.

Apparently its a thing - https://books.google.com/books?id=UrxGDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA453&lpg=PA453&dq=%E1%BC%90%CE%BD%CF%82+%CE%B5%E1%BC%B0%CF%82&source=bl&ots=YZInTds6N7&sig=ACfU3U141y038INO-0IXtqHjzkZcmfPygg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWjP6cldToAhUSMH0KHS6vCAIQ6AEwA3oECAwQKQ#v=onepage&q=%E1%BC%90%CE%BD%CF%82%2...
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.
Replies: 68
Views: 468

Re: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.

I've always thought there might be a mystical interest in seeing 'ish' go back to ἴσος given the Genesis creation myth but I may be way off base. First and second declension of ῐ̓́σος Number Singular Dual Plural Case/Gender Masculine Feminine Neuter Masculine Feminine Neuter Masculine Feminine Neute...
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.
Replies: 68
Views: 468

Re: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.

Compounding the confusion is the appearance of ἲς as a form of ἴσος especially in Homeric Greek: ἀλλ' ἦ τοι σφέας κεῖθεν ἀπώσατο ἲς ἀνέμοιο (Homer, Odyssey 13.276) I don't have time to go through all of these right now but here they are unchecked: Homer, Iliad, Book 23 Line 823 (23.823) edition παυσ...
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.
Replies: 68
Views: 468

Re: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.

I think I have a new theory for why the nomen sacrum developed. It requires much less reliance on 'hocus pocus' (surprisingly) - unlike Hurtado's explanation. ἰς τὸ τέλος· ψαλμὸς τῷ Δαυείδ. (Psalm 18:1). Εἰς τὸ τέλος = 'to the end' I think εἰς here = ἐν + ς (early form ἐνς) but variant forms were ἐς...