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by Secret Alias
Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 59
Views: 601

Re: Three Assumptions

Having had discussions with you before at this forum I know how everything for you goes back to arguments you've heard or fought with evangelicals. But I am not an evangelical. I am just saying that the sense here in 1 Maccabees is that of an eternal kingship associated with David. I don't see how y...
by Secret Alias
Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 59
Views: 601

Re: Three Assumptions

1 Maccabees 2:51f: “Remember the deeds that our ancestors did in their times, and you shall win great honor and an everlasting name. 52 Was not Abraham found faithful in trial, and it was credited to him as righteousness? 53 Joseph, when in distress, kept the commandment, and he became master of Egy...
by Secret Alias
Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 59
Views: 601

Re: Three Assumptions

We have no evidence that anyone in the Second Temple era claimed to be descended from David.
I am sure these claimed existed in the Hasmonean period. Regev points to the Temple Scroll for proof in this regard.
by Secret Alias
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 59
Views: 601

Re: Three Assumptions

Possibilities, but that's as far as it goes, it seems. Well since history is determined by competing probabilities it's worth considering. You don't even know the backhistory to the source and you're already doing a Giuseppe. Abu'l Fath wrote in Arabic but he admits he doesn't fully understand the ...
by Secret Alias
Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 59
Views: 601

Re: Three Assumptions

In other words, Herod managed to secure Davidic ancestry for his children but this was denied - by a variety of methodologies - by later religious minds.
by Secret Alias
Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 59
Views: 601

Re: Three Assumptions

But Eusebius's claims don't seem to match reality. Herod clearly married Mariamne the Hasmonean because of her Davidic links (note to remember for this conversation - Hasmonean lineage = Davidic lineage so yes there must have been ways of tracking Davidic ancestry). But clearly that the rabbinic sou...
by Secret Alias
Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 59
Views: 601

Re: Three Assumptions

I think it also forms part of the Hegesippus chronicle - i.e. that various Jerusalem bishops were hunted down because of their Davidic status.
by Secret Alias
Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 59
Views: 601

Re: Three Assumptions

The Abarbanel clan of Portugal made the claim that they were of Davidic descent.
by Secret Alias
Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three Assumptions
Replies: 59
Views: 601

Re: Three Assumptions

It is also worth noting that Abu'l Fath the fourteenth century Samaritan chronicler who had access to good sources from a much earlier period preserves a story that Commodus - as part of his punishment of the Samaritan people - destroyed the scrolls of the priestly toledot. It was a tactic to delegi...
by Secret Alias
Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The gospel of the Egyptians.
Replies: 15
Views: 2131

Re: The gospel of the Egyptians.

Gospel of the Egyptians = Secret Mark