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by Secret Alias
Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once
Replies: 4
Views: 52

Re: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once

We find the reference to Isaiah 2:3 that forms the introduction to Book 4 of Against Marcion In what immediately follows in Against Marcion 3: "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord," that is, God's eminence, "and the house of God," that is, Christ, the Catholic t...
by Secret Alias
Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once
Replies: 4
Views: 52

Re: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once

Here is what I think took place in the Against Marcion tradition. 1. the original material was directed against Jews not Marcionites. 2. at the very end of our collective material (preserved in both Against the Jews and Against Marcion 3) there was a discussion about the Jews expectation for another...
by Secret Alias
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once
Replies: 4
Views: 52

Re: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once

Ecce venient dies, dicit dominus, et perficiam domui Iacob et domui Iudae testamentum novum, non secundum testamentum quod disposui patribus eorum in die qua arripui dispositionem eorum ad educendos eos de terra Aegypti. (Against Marcion) Ecce enim dies veniunt, dicit dominus, et disponam domui Iuda...
by Secret Alias
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once
Replies: 4
Views: 52

Re: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once

The jumbling is important because I think the same thing occurred in the gospel and Pauline writings.
by Secret Alias
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once
Replies: 4
Views: 52

More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once

The opening words of Against Marcion (1.1) make clear there are three versions of the text of which the present surviving Latin work is the most recent. I've pointed out the clear signs the original work was written in Greek. There is also a relationship between Book 3 and Against the Jews which nec...
by Secret Alias
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Misidentifications of Pauline Gospel Material
Replies: 15
Views: 252

Re: Misidentifications of Pauline Gospel Material

What I am starting to wonder was whether there were two different notions of 'resurrection.' In the heretical communities, mystery initiations led to the belief that Jesus had transformed the flesh of the believer into something spiritual. This involved the ritual stripping of clothes and standing n...
by Secret Alias
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Misidentifications of Pauline Gospel Material
Replies: 15
Views: 252

Re: Misidentifications of Pauline Gospel Material

Irenaeus Book 5:13 In all these passages, therefore, as I have already said, these men must either allege that the apostle expresses opinions contradicting himself, with respect to that statement, "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;" or, on the other hand, they will be forced to make...
by Secret Alias
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Misidentifications of Pauline Gospel Material
Replies: 15
Views: 252

Re: Misidentifications of Pauline Gospel Material

On the general idea that 2 Cor 5:10 is accompanied by the resurrection (hardly a radical thought) Origen Commentary on Matthew 12.30: And, as the Son of man comes in the glory of His own Father, so the angels, who are the words in the prophets, are present with Him preserving the measure of their ow...
by Secret Alias
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Misidentifications of Pauline Gospel Material
Replies: 15
Views: 252

Re: Misidentifications of Pauline Gospel Material

Notice also the difference between the version cited by Adamantius - ""Everyone receives from Christ either good or evil." ἕκαστος παρὰ Χριστοῦ κομίζεται εἴτε ἀγαθὸν εἴτε κακόν Main recension Χριστοῦ, ἵνα κομίσηται ἕκαστος τὰ διὰ τοῦ σώματος πρὸς ἃ ἔπραξεν, εἴτε ἀγαθὸν εἴτε φαῦλον It does seem artif...
by Secret Alias
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Misidentifications of Pauline Gospel Material
Replies: 15
Views: 252

Re: Misidentifications of Pauline Gospel Material

Athenagoras Resurrection 18 Now, if the righteous judgment awards to both together its retribution for the deeds wrought; and if it is not proper that either the soul alone should receive the wages of the deeds wrought in union with the body (for this of itself has no inclination to the faults which...