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by Secret Alias
Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?
Replies: 15
Views: 648

Re: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?

So to simplify: Point 1: Papias > John = Mark > τάξις > Matthew Irenaeus = John τάξις > Mark + Matthew + Luke + John It's no longer a report about τάξις from John. John becomes the arbiter of τάξις for the canon with the influence of Irenaeus. Point 2: Irenaeus himself makes τάξις the basis for the ...
by Secret Alias
Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?
Replies: 15
Views: 648

Re: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?

So here's my emerging thesis. 1. early Christianity was an underground religion which passed information secretly. 2. later Christianity (c. 180 CE) wanted to obscure that tradition and instead wanted to make Christianity seem 'orderly.' 3. the figurehead of this 'new orderly Christianity' was John ...
by Secret Alias
Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the Categorization of Heresies 'Aristotelian'?
Replies: 1
Views: 63

Is the Categorization of Heresies 'Aristotelian'?

I know this is a stupid question but I am not an expert in very much to do with antiquity. As far as I remember all Aristotle did was just categorize things. One of philosophy professors said 'Aristotle is your grandmother.' Is it a stretch to say that Irenaeus's obsession with categorizing heresies...
by Secret Alias
Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My current and still developing view of the nomina sacra.
Replies: 42
Views: 8140

Re: My current and still developing view of the nomina sacra.

What would be the alternative?
I am just saying when it did the calculations for pre-Christian or extra-Christian Greek abbreviations of 'Lord' c. 100 - 200 CE they were almost all abbreviations of kuriou.
by Secret Alias
Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?
Replies: 15
Views: 648

Re: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?

On the Flesh of Christ: Marcion, with the purpose of denying Christ's flesh, also denied his nativity: or else, with intent to deny his nativity, denied his flesh. Evidently his intention was that nativity and flesh should not give mutual testimony each to the other, inasmuch as there can be neither...
by Secret Alias
Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My current and still developing view of the nomina sacra.
Replies: 42
Views: 8140

Re: My current and still developing view of the nomina sacra.

I know the evidence doesn't support all of this but ... 1. there are pre-Christian abbreviations. 2. people likely abbreviated words for the same reason that people do today. Speed. 3. the closest example I find is doctor's notes. 4. when I was studying Vatican 1899 (or whatever it is called) I lear...
by Secret Alias
Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My current and still developing view of the nomina sacra.
Replies: 42
Views: 8140

Re: My current and still developing view of the nomina sacra.

FWIW my conclusions after doing a lot of research into pre-Christian Greek abbreviation patterns. The overbar has something to do with gematria. The same marker exists in Hebrew. I think originally the line told people to pay attention to the words because they had numerological significance. Then s...
by Secret Alias
Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?
Replies: 15
Views: 648

Re: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?

The order of words against the heretics: From many other instances also, we may discover that the apostle frequently uses a transposed order in his sentences, due to the rapidity of his discourses, and the impetus of the Spirit which is in him. An example occurs in the [Epistle] to the Galatians, wh...
by Secret Alias
Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?
Replies: 15
Views: 648

Re: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?

And that's another thing strange about the early Church. And this is NEVER mentioned by scholars which - IMHO shows how much of a blind spot they have. If it was just that Irenaeus has this 'tick' regarding things being in their proper order, that he has OCD or something, that would be one thing. Bu...
by Secret Alias
Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?
Replies: 15
Views: 648

Re: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?

More Against Heresies: I now proceed to show, as follows, that the first order of production (primum ordinem emissionis), as conceived of by them , must be rejected. For they maintain that Nous and Aletheia were produced from Bythus and his Ennoea, which is proved to be a contradiction. (2.13.1) The...