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by Secret Alias
Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan?
Replies: 90
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Re: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan

And one more thing the section which mentions the δεσπόσυνοι = “those who belong to a master." It comes from Africanus: A few of the careful, however, having obtained private records of their own, either by remembering the names or by getting them in some other way from the registers, pride themselv...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan?
Replies: 90
Views: 684

Re: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan

So just to explain my birthday revelation. 1. Eusebius - after using Hegesippus give the details of James the Just - starts speaking of Symeon the cousin of Jesus being an important member of the Jerusalem Church (3.11). He frames Symeon in terms of belonging to a family with a genealogy which goes ...
by Secret Alias
Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan?
Replies: 90
Views: 684

Re: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan

Another possibility to consider that just came to me on my birthday. I might have the explanation for why- Symeon being followed by Judas on the list but Judas being already dead by the time Domitian and Trajan war against the 'association of Judas.' As well as a number of other anomalies in earlies...
by Secret Alias
Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan?
Replies: 90
Views: 684

Re: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan

This happens to be my birthday so I am writing this with all sorts of crazy people around me. But I think I discovered something about the list potentially that hasn't been noticed before. Rather than hurry out a badly written post I will ... take time to produce a badly written post.
by Secret Alias
Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan?
Replies: 90
Views: 684

Re: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan

Eusebius clearly cites Hegesippus regarding these Roman bishops Does he really? He cites Hegesippus as saying that when he came to Rome he wrote up a list of bishops of Rome but when Eusebius cites from the episcopal list of Rome or makes reference to the bishops (in the form that generally resembl...
by Secret Alias
Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan?
Replies: 90
Views: 684

Re: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan

his interpretation of the tradition Yes. But here's another thing. Bob/John suggests that if it was a succession list it went James (long period) Symeon (until Trajan/100 CE), and then a series of short lived bishops. That is perhaps Eusebius's interpretation of the data. But this doesn't work with...
by Secret Alias
Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan?
Replies: 90
Views: 684

Re: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan

Here's a question for you, Ben. Does Eusebius attribute the Roman succession list to Hegesippus? No. Curious parallel. Perhaps both succession lists were attachments, addendums - I forget what Epiphanius calls his text on the Marcionite textual alterations. But an attached work to the main body whic...
by Secret Alias
Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan?
Replies: 90
Views: 684

Re: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan

Here's another thing. Even if the list does not come from Hegesippus you'd think that if there was information about the individual bishops in Hegesippus Eusebius would put the one together with the other and add details about the individual bishops on the list from the other source (Hegesippus). Th...
by Secret Alias
Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan?
Replies: 90
Views: 684

Re: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan

two long bishoprics (James and Simeon). But that is the crazy part. Eusebius says I believe (I just woke up) the bishops (i.e. all the bishops) had short reigns. But at the same time he says he doesn't know the 'times' of the reigns and he cites Hegesippus verbatim to show that Symeon at least died...