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by Secret Alias
Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Mystery of First Century Mark Solved
Replies: 1
Views: 85

Re: The Mystery of First Century Mark Solved

From Candida Moss


From Stephen Rouse at the University of Oxford on behalf of the university: “Recent developments concerning these papyri have been brought to the University’s attention. We will be looking into the matter further before issuing any further comment.”
by Secret Alias
Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: An Important Clue that the Marcionite Dualistic Notion of God Pitted 'the Son' Against 'the Father'
Replies: 3
Views: 72

Re: An Important Clue that the Marcionite Dualistic Notion of God Pitted 'the Son' Against 'the Father'

What I wonder about is whether three was a proto-orthodox tradition which caused the Marcionite faith to appear more 'heretical' than it really was. For instance Justin Martyr combats representatives of 'normative Judaism' in the second century arguing that 'Jesus' was present with the Patriarchs an...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: An Important Clue that the Marcionite Dualistic Notion of God Pitted 'the Son' Against 'the Father'
Replies: 3
Views: 72

Re: An Important Clue that the Marcionite Dualistic Notion of God Pitted 'the Son' Against 'the Father'

So Marcion's point is that the god who displays himself as a destroyer of humanity in both Genesis chapter 14 and at least with respect to intention in Exodus chapter 32 also displays himself to be human in what follows. In Genesis 15 that he can swear an oath with Abraham and Exodus 32 with respect...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: An Important Clue that the Marcionite Dualistic Notion of God Pitted 'the Son' Against 'the Father'
Replies: 3
Views: 72

Re: An Important Clue that the Marcionite Dualistic Notion of God Pitted 'the Son' Against 'the Father'

Actually the whole chapter is quite interesting. Addressing a Marcionite the author writes: Now at length—that I may dispose of the rest of these questions in one single answer—for all those details which you class together as petty and weak and unworthy, with intent to drag the Creator down, I shal...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could the Church Fathers Have Believed that Matthew was the Hebrew Gospel - and it used the LXX?
Replies: 3
Views: 64

Re: How Could the Church Fathers Have Believed that Matthew was the Hebrew Gospel - and it used the LXX?

Also if the Marcionites were against the LXX - as Eznik suggests - could that be in part responsible for their identification as a sect who stood 'against the Jewish scriptures' or 'against the prophesies'? Remember, the early orthodox drew from a bad translation of Isaiah to 'prove' that the Virgin...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: An Important Clue that the Marcionite Dualistic Notion of God Pitted 'the Son' Against 'the Father'
Replies: 3
Views: 72

An Important Clue that the Marcionite Dualistic Notion of God Pitted 'the Son' Against 'the Father'

At the end of Book Two Against Marcion by Tertullian: That the Father has become visible to no man is the testimony of that gospel which you share with us, in which Christ says, No one knoweth the Father save the Son.b It was he also who in the Old Testament had already declared, No man shall see Go...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could the Church Fathers Have Believed that Matthew was the Hebrew Gospel - and it used the LXX?
Replies: 3
Views: 64

Re: How Could the Church Fathers Have Believed that Matthew was the Hebrew Gospel - and it used the LXX?

I was actually inspired by an examination of Matthew 4:15-16 which while not 'agreeing' with Isa 9:1 - 2 is still based on the LXX when Psalm 107 is brought into the mix. In other words, it's not slavish in its LXX-origins in terms of the reading of a particular scripture - but the building blocks s...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could the Church Fathers Have Believed that Matthew was the Hebrew Gospel - and it used the LXX?
Replies: 3
Views: 64

How Could the Church Fathers Have Believed that Matthew was the Hebrew Gospel - and it used the LXX?

I principally read the writings of early Christianity to witness firsthand what the limits of credulity are. But here's something I wrestled with this morning. If Matthew was supposed to be the 'Jewish gospel' written 'in the Hebrew dialect' - how could the prophetic utterances have accorded with th...
by Secret Alias
Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: For Andrew: I Think I Have Found the Smoking Gun to Explain the Apparent Use of a Harmony in Adv Marc.
Replies: 10
Views: 161

Re: For Andrew: I Think I Have Found the Smoking Gun to Explain the Apparent Use of a Harmony in Adv Marc.

I think Eusebius follows the Diatessaron to make sense of the same passage. First the passage in the Diatessaron: And when Jesus heard that John was delivered up, he went away to Galilee. And he entered again into Cans, where he had made the water wine. And there was at Capernaum a king's servant, w...