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by Secret Alias
Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan?
Replies: 96
Views: 3055

Re: How Could Symeon be James the Just's Successor on the Episcopal Throne of Jerusalem if He was Crucified Under Trajan

Ok. You've obviously not read the thread. The difficulty is with Symeon taking over c. 60 CE and the way the death is referenced by Epiphanius during Trajan while listing other heads of the Church in the interim.
by Secret Alias
Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus
Replies: 31
Views: 312

Re: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus

If you wanted to say that it rarely happens this way you should have specified that originally. But my second point is - with respect to mythicism - allegory only works if it is referencing something underlying which is real. The allegory of a bird feeding its young requires a bird or birds feeding ...
by Secret Alias
Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus
Replies: 31
Views: 312

Re: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus

Right but this is where you don't understand allegory. When you say this: Sometimes rape is considered a kind of seduction by the same victim ... sometimes not. You are necessarily saying that IN THE REAL WORLD, IN THE ACTUAL WORLD THAT YOU AND I INHABIT what the victim says is rape isn't always rap...
by Secret Alias
Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus
Replies: 31
Views: 312

Re: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus

It's actually an interesting point to discuss your ideas regarding allegory. You think the gospel was originally written in some sense 'allegorically.' That there was no literal truth to the text - i.e. that it wasn't 'actual history.' Apparently you fee that way about your own statement about rape....
by Secret Alias
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus
Replies: 31
Views: 312

Re: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus

For me at least Epiphanius's testimony presents us with so many more interesting lines of inquiry than the one you are obsessed with - namely where did Epiphanius get the very specific figure of 96.
by Secret Alias
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus
Replies: 31
Views: 312

Re: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus

But 'ok' is an adequate response to the question. This lays bare your underlying methodology which I have stated time and again as simply coming down to: 1. mythicism is right, is the truth and the way. 2. arrange the evidence to bolster 1. This is no way to proceed with scholarship. The likelihood ...
by Secret Alias
Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus
Replies: 31
Views: 312

Re: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus

I think the seam in the alteration or addition in Hegesippus is visible: They went up and threw down the just man (ἀναβάντες οὖν κατέβαλον τὸν δίκαιον) , and said to each other, 'Let us stone James the Just.' And they began to stone him, when he was not killed by the fall (ἐπεὶ καταβληθεὶς οὐκ ἀπέθα...
by Secret Alias
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus
Replies: 31
Views: 312

Re: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus

Ben, Perhaps but I wonder whether the defective nature of Eusebius's translation of Hegesippus has something to do with it. Could there have been two versions of Hegesippus floating around in antiquity? First the note in Schaff regarding the 'Rechabite' reference: ῾Ραχαβείμ, which is simply the repr...
by Secret Alias
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus
Replies: 31
Views: 312

Re: Epiphanius gives evidence that James could't be the carnal brother of Jesus

Perhaps a more interesting question is to what degree the information derives from Hegesippus. The details and the names brought up in the account of Epiphanius all seem to derive from Hegesippus. How 96 can be squared within Hegesippus is difficult to say. In the account of Epiphanius the blow from...