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by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Origen, the Alexandrian Tradition and Secret Mark
Replies: 0
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Origen, the Alexandrian Tradition and Secret Mark

Romans 16:25 + Mark 1:1 "Then the Jew standing by him said to the people who believed that yesterday, and the day before, and whenever we were punishing this man while he was shepherding you, you turned away from the ancestral law, knowing nothing precise in what he said, as we demonstrated. Bu...
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 25
Views: 271

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

I could post all of them but I don't want to distract from Peter's point. Bye.
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 25
Views: 271

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

Examples of Origen's cryptic referencing of Secret Mark. There are dozens more like this. It's always Romans 2:19 or 16:25 + Mark 1:1 over and over again: Now, certainly the introduction to Christianity is through the Mosaic worship and the prophetic writings; and after the introduction, it is in th...
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 25
Views: 271

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

We just have to stop addressing this idiotic point of view. Like trying to plug into a plug. It doesn't work. It can't work. No more discussions of Luke alongside Marcion. There is no point.
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 25
Views: 271

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

What is the point of discussing Luke in relation to Marcion? What is the value in this? They didn't think Luke wrote the gospel. They attributed that to Paul THE apostle.
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 25
Views: 271

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

The frequency with which he brings up Romans 2:19 and 16:25 he references Mark 1:1 and the Marcionites.
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 25
Views: 271

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

I forgot to corroborate Romans 2:16 with Mark 1:1. I can do that too. The Marcionites held that there was only one evangelist, only one apostle. This is a Samaritan formulation of the word apostle and is based on the authority of Moses. Moses was the apostle of God. There are no other apostles besid...
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 25
Views: 271

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

It's hard to bring up Secret Mark with certain people here. But clearly there are good reasons for believing that Clement's unwillingness to bring up Secret Mark was shared by Origen.
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 25
Views: 271

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

Origen knew. Marcion's gospel began with Mark 1:1 and he was aware of the Marcionite claim that this gospel was the one Paul meant by "my gospel."
by Secret Alias
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 25
Views: 271

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

Mark 1:1 Origen Commentarii in Ephesios (Fragmenta e catenis) (1) Date: ca.222 - ca.252 Genre: - Theme: Exegesis, Scripture Commentaries Clavis: 1460 Biblio: GREGG J.A.F., The commentary of Origen upon the epistle to the Ephesians, Journal of Theological Studies 3 (1902), 234-244 ; 398-420 ; 554-57...