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by Secret Alias
Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 13
Views: 386

Re: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

Flavor of the month I guess. The relationship with Justin, the reference to the second author of Against Marcion as an apostate, the fourfold gospel, the fact that Eusebius is the first person to identify a continuous "gospel harmony" with Tatian, the fact that Rhodon addresses Callistos (Callistiwn...
by Secret Alias
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 13
Views: 386

Re: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

FWIW I think version 1 of Against Marcion was written by Justin, version 2 Irenaeus who may have been Tatian and version 3 = Tertullian.
by Secret Alias
Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The tetrarchies in Luke 3.1-2.
Replies: 9
Views: 143

Re: The tetrarchies in Luke 3.1-2.

Could be part of an understanding that the "word of God" i.e. the gospel was meant to in four parts.
by Secret Alias
Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 13
Views: 386

Re: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

Why does the author accuse Marcion of falsifying a gospel, having Luke as his gospel but inevitably identifies the falsification almost exclusively in terms of Matthean content (often a Luke vs Matthew comparison where Lukan readings are proof of forgery) and especially the very Marcionite sounding ...
by Secret Alias
Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 13
Views: 386

Re: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

All references to Luke in Book Four - 19 in total across 40+ chapters. Notice they are confined to one section of the treatise, four chapters in total i.e. 4.2, 4.3, 4.4 and 4.5. Doesn't that strike you as odd? By contrast Origen's Commentaries mention the names 'John' and 'Matthew' throughout. In s...
by Secret Alias
Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Replies: 84
Views: 2185

Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.

Not everyone was allowed to say what they knew openly. Look at the oath of Justinus in the Philosophumena and that "modern fake" 'to Theodore.' But swear, says Justin, if you wish to know "what eye hath not seen, and ear hath not heard, and the things which have not entered into the heart;" that is,...
by Secret Alias
Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation
Replies: 20
Views: 465

Re: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation

Gnosticism, which existed as a school even before Christianity appeared on the scene;
Comical. Like Judaism is separate from "gnosticism." You really have outdated nonsensical notions. Why aren't you as dead as your ideas?
by Secret Alias
Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 13
Views: 386

Re: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

So here's the difficulty in Book Four of Against Marcion. 1. Canonical Luke has three chapters of information basically before Jesus 'comes down' to Capernaum. 2. The author of Against Marcion says he will show Marcion falsified 'his' (i.e. the author's) gospel. 3. Against Marcion ignores the fact t...
by Secret Alias
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 13
Views: 386

Re: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

Luke 1, 27 - 5 1 § 6 (p.664, l.7) BP1 Then, again, in Saul's conduct towards David, exhibited first in violent persecution of him, and then in remorse and reparation,27 on his receiving from him good for evil, we have nothing else than an anticipation28 of Paul in Saul----belonging, too, as they did...
by Secret Alias
Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 13
Views: 386

Re: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

Interesting question. Here's what I notice from the list: Luke 1, 1 - 4 2 § 4 (p.548, l.27) BP1 Luke 1, 2 - 4 2 § 4 (p.548, l.27) BP1 But we prefer to join issue on every point; nor shall we leave unnoticed what may fairly be understood to be on our side. Now, of the authors whom we possess, Marcion...