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by Giuseppe
Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Turmel's proof that Barabbas is absent in proto-John
Replies: 7
Views: 191

Re: Turmel's proof that Barabbas is absent in proto-John

Where did you get this from Turmel? I find this curious, as I am investigating gJohn at this time. Hi Stuart, Havind read in your site about Turmel , I have wanted to buy his little book to see more clearly, and I have found that the translation in English is not complete, since some chapters are m...
by Giuseppe
Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evidence that Irenaeus knows the meaning of Barabbas ("Son of Father")
Replies: 110
Views: 1965

Re: Evidence that Irenaeus knows the meaning of Barabbas ("Son of Father")

Meanwhile, we have enough of Peter and Hebrews to know Barabbas was never in them. Your explanation for this? you are so idiot that you don't realize that you are doing my same argument: it's sufficient the existence of only a gospel without Barabbas to prove my point (that the Barabbas episode was...
by Giuseppe
Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evidence that Irenaeus knows the meaning of Barabbas ("Son of Father")
Replies: 110
Views: 1965

Re: Evidence that Irenaeus knows the meaning of Barabbas ("Son of Father")

The writer doesn't need to describe every single movement done. Here I lose definitely you. How of grace can you claim something of similar? See by yourself how many times the original author (and the interpolator himself) care to specify the coming out and back of Pilate and of Jesus: 38 “What is ...
by Giuseppe
Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evidence that Irenaeus knows the meaning of Barabbas ("Son of Father")
Replies: 110
Views: 1965

Re: Evidence that Irenaeus knows the meaning of Barabbas ("Son of Father")

You are an idiot if you think that Jesus is magically inside the palace (verse 9) when it is said only that Pilate comes back inside the palace (verse 9), contra factum that in the interpolation both Jesus and Pilate are assumed to be out the palace. (vetse 5) Probably the interpolator of the passag...
by Giuseppe
Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evidence that Irenaeus knows the meaning of Barabbas ("Son of Father")
Replies: 110
Views: 1965

Re: Evidence that Irenaeus knows the meaning of Barabbas ("Son of Father")

Joseph D. L. wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:59 pm
What is this? Nothing. Pilate goes out to the forum, and the the writer narrates his going back into the chamber. In no way is that some smoking gun of a later insertion.
no, it is a smoking gun. If you don't realize it, then you are an idiot, sic et simpliciter.
by Giuseppe
Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Turmel's proof that Barabbas is absent in proto-John
Replies: 7
Views: 191

Re: Turmel's proof that Barabbas is absent in proto-John

Note how in the interpolation Jesus comes out with Pilate: When Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe, Pilate said to them, “Here is the man!” then, after the interpolation, it is said that Pilate returns back inside, When Pilate heard this, he was even more afraid, 9 and he...
by Giuseppe
Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Turmel's proof that Barabbas is absent in proto-John
Replies: 7
Views: 191

Re: Turmel's proof that Barabbas is absent in proto-John

Note that the original fear of Pilate was not the fact that the Jews had chosen the criminal Barabbas (so winning Pilate on his same field of game), but the fact that the Jews answered him so: “We have a Law , and according to that Law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.” When Pil...
by Giuseppe
Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Turmel's proof that Barabbas is absent in proto-John
Replies: 7
Views: 191

Re: Turmel's proof that Barabbas is absent in proto-John

Note that the original fear of Pilate was not the fact that the Jews had chosen the criminal Barabbas (so winning Pilate on his same field of game), but the fact that the Jews answered him so: “We have a Law , and according to that Law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.” When Pila...
by Giuseppe
Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Turmel's proof that Barabbas is absent in proto-John
Replies: 7
Views: 191

Turmel's proof that Barabbas is absent in proto-John

Then, according to Joseph Turmel , the following passage (in red ) is a Judaizing anti-marcionite interpolation in the fourth Gospel (please attention to the original part in blue to understand better the reasons): 38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered...
by Giuseppe
Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evidence that Irenaeus knows the meaning of Barabbas ("Son of Father")
Replies: 110
Views: 1965

Re: Evidence that Irenaeus knows the meaning of Barabbas ("Son of Father")

Then, according to Joseph Turmel , the following passage (in red ) is a Judaizing anti-marcionite interpolation in the fourth Gospel: 38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him. 39 But it is your cus...