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by Giuseppe
Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Applying the Criterion of Embarrassment on Luke 4:18
Replies: 1
Views: 31

Re: Applying the Criterion of Embarrassment on Luke 4:18

In Luke at least this Jesus reading the Torah to claim the his possession by the spirit of YHWH (and not of a higher god) is probably based on Jesus the son of Saphat , as Frans Vermeiren says. Jesus is a messianist Life 35 discusses one of the three political parties in Tiberias: The second faction...
by Giuseppe
Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Applying the Criterion of Embarrassment on Luke 4:18
Replies: 1
Views: 31

Applying the Criterion of Embarrassment on Luke 4:18

Surely a lot of readers agree with me about the presence of separationism if not in Mark (notoriously adoptionist for the hoi polloi) at least in proto-Mark. Jesus is a mere man and Christ is pure spirit. Surely, it is only myself today in the world to argue that the separationism has an antinomiani...
by Giuseppe
Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Mark 15:1-16 based on Josephus's Ant. 18:3 ?
Replies: 5
Views: 1080

Re: Is Mark 15:1-16 based on Josephus's Ant. 18:3 ?

Note that a lot of imperialistic wars started by Rome against the his enemies were done to install the presumed legitimate king on the throne of the attacked land. For example, to install the legitimate king of Numidia against the usurper Jugurta. To install the legitimate king of Bithinia against t...
by Giuseppe
Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Mark 15:1-16 based on Josephus's Ant. 18:3 ?
Replies: 5
Views: 1080

Re: Is Mark 15:1-16 based on Josephus's Ant. 18:3 ?

There is another reason to think that these parallelisms are deliberate in Mark. Whereas the point of Josephus is to add further emphasis on the obtuse and tyrannical Pilate's insistence to introduce a foreign deity in a place known in all the world to be populated by eager monotheists , ...the poin...
by Giuseppe
Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Isaiah's prophecies that the Messiah will be obscure, invisible, silent, etc
Replies: 12
Views: 169

Re: Isaiah's prophecies that the Messiah will be obscure, invisible, silent, etc

And note another striking difference between the prophecy and the Jesus of ''Matthew'': the Matthean Jesus didn't preach to the nations. Only to the Jews. So it is evident that Matthew quoted the prophecy because previous Christians were using it when their Jesus could effectively realize it (by bei...
by Giuseppe
Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Isaiah's prophecies that the Messiah will be obscure, invisible, silent, etc
Replies: 12
Views: 169

Re: Isaiah's prophecies that the Messiah will be obscure, invisible, silent, etc

to Giuseppe, that is precisely the my point. Who used that prophecy before "Matthew" (moving "Matthew" to use it too) meant an obscure messiah and could only mean it, given the clear meaning of the text. Assumption, speculation, tortuous (shall I say: obscure) reasoning. What seems to be not clear ...
by Giuseppe
Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist
Replies: 93
Views: 3144

Re: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist

to Giuseppe, to Giuseppe, Of course. Sure, "salvation" is not a historical person. So what? the provenance from a people is not evidence of historical existence. Other examples: the Sybilla Cumana comes from Cuma. Did she exist? The provenance from a people is not evidence of the historical non-exi...
by Giuseppe
Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was John the Baptist gnosticized because he was the perfect Mr. Unknown?
Replies: 1
Views: 37

Re: Was John the Baptist gnosticized because he was the perfect Mr. Unknown?

The entire affair about Sabaoth son of Yaldabaoth (and the his conversion) was about the introduction of the idea that the son of the evil demiurge became a good being by magical conversion, pace the his evil father. This conversion required a public act of conversion and that act was (identified wi...
by Giuseppe
Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was John the Baptist gnosticized because he was the perfect Mr. Unknown?
Replies: 1
Views: 37

Was John the Baptist gnosticized because he was the perfect Mr. Unknown?

In which sense I say that the (already legendary figure of) John was gnosticized ? So Irenaeus: and they maintain that Sophia, herself has also spoken many things through them regarding the first Anthropos (man), and concerning that Christ who is above, thus admonishing and reminding men of the inco...
by Giuseppe
Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist
Replies: 93
Views: 3144

Re: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist

Bernard Muller wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:24 pm
to Giuseppe,

Of course. Sure, "salvation" is not a historical person. So what?
the provenance from a people is not evidence of historical existence.

Other examples: the Sybilla Cumana comes from Cuma. Did she exist?