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by Giuseppe
Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: YHWH, not Judas, was the original betrayer
Replies: 28
Views: 326

Re: YHWH, not Judas, was the original betrayer

Another occurrence of ἐναντίος is found in 6:51: If, indeed, there did exist an accursed god opposed to the great God, who did this contrary to his approval, why did he lend him the light? But the god is not only "opposed" ( ἐναντίος ) , he is "accursed" ( κατηραμένος ) by these Christians: perfect ...
by Giuseppe
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: YHWH, not Judas, was the original betrayer
Replies: 28
Views: 326

Re: YHWH, not Judas, was the original betrayer

Joseph D. L. wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:17 am
both (all?) gods are opposed to one another, simply because their practitioners are opposed to one another.
apart Zorohastrism, never heard about a god enemy of another god in the same theology. Were the adorers of Attis enemies of Osiris's adorers?
by Giuseppe
Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why 3 crucified
Replies: 22
Views: 204

Re: Why 3 crucified

Too generic. The two thieves are there because their midrashical source reveals that their function is to witness the crucifixion of Jesus. And their function is to witness the crucifixion of Jesus for the same reason of Ignatius: Stop your ears, therefore, when any one speaks to you at variance wit...
by Giuseppe
Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: YHWH, not Judas, was the original betrayer
Replies: 28
Views: 326

Re: YHWH, not Judas, was the original betrayer

Ben C. Smith wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:50 am
Giuseppe wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:34 am
Ben, I fear that even you ignore the context too much easily.
Really? Amazing.
no need of cloying answers, here.
by Giuseppe
Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why 3 crucified
Replies: 22
Views: 204

Re: Why 3 crucified

rakovsky wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:51 am
"Why Three Crucified?"
A reference to the Trinity.
never heard a more blasphemous claim than that. Do you mean say that at least two persons of trinity are evil as the thieves?

Joseph D.L. can you give the precise link/reference to GNicodemus for you quote above I like a lot? Thanks in advance.
by Giuseppe
Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why 3 crucified
Replies: 22
Views: 204

Re: Why 3 crucified

This latter detail allows me to answer to Ben's question, when he asked me what is the evidence that Alexander and Rufus were introduced as witnesses of the fact that the crucified one was Jesus and not Simon . :cheers: I refer to this my post that raised Ben's question: The point is that Alexander...
by Giuseppe
Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: YHWH, not Judas, was the original betrayer
Replies: 28
Views: 326

Re: YHWH, not Judas, was the original betrayer

Ben, I fear that even you ignore the context too much easily. It is evident that Celsus claims independent knowledge not because of show of mere notionism, but to insist on a point he realizes as very much embarrassing for the Christians, and particularly for "universalist" Catholics à la Origen: th...
by Giuseppe
Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why 3 crucified
Replies: 22
Views: 204

Re: Why 3 crucified

Gospel of Nicodemus is the key, here. Thank you again Joseph D.L. :cheers: It says that not only the Good Thief, but also the 2 sons of Simon (the Cyrenaic) confirmed , at their resurrection, that Jesus was dead on the cross. This latter detail allows me to answer to Ben's question, when he asked m...
by Giuseppe
Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: YHWH, not Judas, was the original betrayer
Replies: 28
Views: 326

Re: YHWH, not Judas, was the original betrayer

1) sorry but ἐναντίον is used to make the point that an opposition is in action, not a mere presence before someone. The context requires only the metaphorical meaning of ἐναντίον. There is no reason at all to describe a god as "in presence of" another god. At least: not in that context. 2) it is ca...
by Giuseppe
Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: YHWH, not Judas, was the original betrayer
Replies: 28
Views: 326

Re: YHWH, not Judas, was the original betrayer

1) Celsus is simply exposing their belief. Which doesn't make him a follower of these beliefs. Because otherwise all we in this forum would be "Christians" and myself a Catholic priest :D

2) because they wanted that all Christians ceased completely to be indebted to Judaism.