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by Giuseppe
Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The drawbacks of overlooking oral tradition as an option.
Replies: 40
Views: 1760

Re: The drawbacks of overlooking oral tradition as an option.

I have read years ago both the 2 books of Vinzent and I have them. Surely I should criticize the style a bit rethoric of the prof but maybe it is only my defect of understanding. I remember that he devoted a lot of pages about that Prologue on Papias/Marcion to make his case. When I have time, I can...
by Giuseppe
Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The drawbacks of overlooking oral tradition as an option.
Replies: 40
Views: 1760

Re: The drawbacks of overlooking oral tradition as an option.

I think that Vinzent has detected as probable feature of an anti-marcionite pattern (occurring again and again in writers after Marcion) the appeal to Apostolic Succession and/or oral tradition (in addition to use of scriptures).
by Giuseppe
Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The drawbacks of overlooking oral tradition as an option.
Replies: 40
Views: 1760

Re: The drawbacks of overlooking oral tradition as an option.

As you like. At any case, I point out here that Vinzent thinks that who preceded Marcion were Jewish Christians.
by Giuseppe
Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The drawbacks of overlooking oral tradition as an option.
Replies: 40
Views: 1760

Re: The drawbacks of overlooking oral tradition as an option.

So according to Ben, when Tertullian quotes Scriptures in the book Contra Marcionem, he does so for a genuine love for scriptures and for Judaism and not to confute Marcion. Really?
by Giuseppe
Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The drawbacks of overlooking oral tradition as an option.
Replies: 40
Views: 1760

Re: The drawbacks of overlooking oral tradition as an option.

. [*]The necessary assumption behind Papias' interpretation of a dominical saying by the Jewish scriptures being a maneuver against Marcion is that Christianity began as a rejection of the Jewish scriptures, continued in that mode at least until Marcion, and only later began to appreciate those scr...
by Giuseppe
Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why the rapid solitude of Jesus was made a clue of adoptionism
Replies: 1
Views: 175

Re: Why the rapid solitude of Jesus was made a clue of adoptionism

And don't think that it is only me to argue that clue of separationism about Mark 9:8. Please read here: They saw only Jesus with themselves The famous transfiguration scene has Jesus taking Peter, James and John up to a high mountain. There these three disciples are kept on the outer as they see Je...
by Giuseppe
Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why the rapid solitude of Jesus was made a clue of adoptionism
Replies: 1
Views: 175

Why the rapid solitude of Jesus was made a clue of adoptionism

So Marcion concluded: While the Voice was speaking Jesus was alone. (Luke 9:36) Note: the Voice didn 't stop before that Jesus was alone. In Mark, instead, the Voice stopped and only after Jesus was found alone: 7 Then a cloud appeared and covered them, and a voice came from the cloud: “This is my S...
by Giuseppe
Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ
Replies: 44
Views: 4144

Re: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ

So Couchoud (note the difference from Carrier/Doherty even sharing the same general conclusion about where Jesus was crucified): The author of the Epistle to the Hebrews considers the Crucifixion, which is at the same time the priestly sacrifice, as taking place in heaven. Since expiatory victims ha...
by Giuseppe
Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Traces of docetism in Herod's interest about Jesus
Replies: 3
Views: 353

Traces of docetism in Herod's interest about Jesus

Herod said, “John I beheaded, but who is this about whom I hear such things?” And he sought to see him. (Luke 9:9) I had read too literally this verse , to mean that Herod desided simply to meet Jesus face to face. Really, Herod could very well see Jesus face to face, and in any moment he desired. ...
by Giuseppe
Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did John repudiate the “lie” of a carnalized Jesus?
Replies: 15
Views: 1340

Re: Did John repudiate the “lie” of a carnalized Jesus?

I am assuming that 'messenger' can be translated as 'angel' and so, if the passage was written by Marcion, then the allusion may be to the rival angel of Gal 1:8 - a Judaizer Angel, too - as interpreted midrash ically by who invented the episode (I use a priori the term 'invention' since any my thr...