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by Giuseppe
Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt
Replies: 16
Views: 94

Re: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt

The evidence given by Tal Ilan--cited above--disproves what you named this thread, and Roth's claim, as well. I may change the title from: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt ...to: The name 'Simon' was cause of embarrassment after the First Revolt ...and still I can explain vali...
by Giuseppe
Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt
Replies: 16
Views: 94

Re: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt

And you Stephen can't deny that Cecil Roth bears real evidence for the claim: So far as well-known persons are concerned, it is only in the case of those named Simeon that the eigenname is consistently omitted: and in any case the number of persons named Simeon with whom this is the case, whether or...
by Giuseppe
Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt
Replies: 16
Views: 94

Re: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt

To be clear, Stephen, what you have to confute here is the precise Roth's point: in almost every case in the literature of this period where a well-known person is consistently referred to by his patronymic, and we known his eigenname , that eigenname was Simon. It doesn't seem at all that your acad...
by Giuseppe
Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt
Replies: 16
Views: 94

Re: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt

By induction,
if Eleazar was omitted in virtue of dangerous association with the various 70 CE rebels named Eleazar, then why not also Simon ?
by Giuseppe
Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt
Replies: 16
Views: 94

Re: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt

Accordingly, if I have to believe you, then I should consider only a mere coincidence the curious fact that, inter alia , In Jewish tradition from Talmudic times onwards, as is well known, the author of the Book of Ecclesiasticus was universally called "Ben Sira". In the original Hebrew text of the ...
by Giuseppe
Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt
Replies: 16
Views: 94

Re: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt

Giuseppe, the fact that you agree with Greg Doudna does not make the statement—“The Name ‘Simon” was prohibited after the First Revolt”—any less false. Surely his argument is based on greater Vermeiren's case for historical Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat (surely by you not confuted, but probably only de...
by Giuseppe
Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt
Replies: 16
Views: 94

Re: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt

This is not the only mistake that Cecil Roth made. Nor the only mistake that Harvard Theological Review made. Will you consider the better and abundant evidence detailed by Tal Ilan? Surely I agree with independent scholar Greg Doudna about the identity Simon Magus == Simon Bar Giora: Further, the ...
by Giuseppe
Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt
Replies: 16
Views: 94

Re: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt

Further evidence that the Jews had some 'problem' (to use an euphemism) with the name 'Simon', after 70 CE: In Jewish tradition from Talmudic times onwards, as is well known, the author of the Book of Ecclesiasticus was universally called "Ben Sira". In the original Hebrew text of the work found in ...
by Giuseppe
Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:14 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt
Replies: 16
Views: 94

Re: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt

Note 10 of the same my article reads: It is curious that the other names occasionally omitted in favor of a patronymic (see above) also had patriotic undertones: Johanan (cf. John of Gischala, one of the oustanding leaders of the First Revolt) and Eleazar (cf. Eleazar ben Dinai, who led an uprising ...
by Giuseppe
Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt
Replies: 16
Views: 94

Re: The name 'Simon' was prohibited after the First Revolt

Giuseppe wrote the following, which is not true: “Because it evoked the name of Simon bar Giora, the name of Simon was prohibited after the First Revolt.” Stephen, my source is academic: However that may be, it seems certain that in the first century and perhaps for some time afterwards the use of ...