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by Giuseppe
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bob Price makes the same my point about Mark 8:27-30!!!
Replies: 14
Views: 950

Re: Bob Price makes the same my point about Mark 8:27-30!!!

Note that according to the traditional interpretation of the episode of Caesarea Philippi: the people is more distant from the truth (about Jesus) than Peter, even if Peter himself is still far from truth. So Peter ("TU ES CHRISTUS") works someway as mediator between the two extremities. While in th...
by Giuseppe
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bob Price makes the same my point about Mark 8:27-30!!!
Replies: 14
Views: 950

Re: Bob Price makes the same my point about Mark 8:27-30!!!

I should admire Tim because this point made by him: And so, ultimately, the question about whether the original Gospel of Mark (or the tradition behind the text) was really talking about the Marcionite Christ is a nonstarter, if only because we don’t know exactly what all Mark believed about the Mes...
by Giuseppe
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bob Price makes the same my point about Mark 8:27-30!!!
Replies: 14
Views: 950

Re: Bob Price makes the same my point about Mark 8:27-30!!!

Michael, you are correct on these points. And particularly about the fact that Price doesn't assume the interpolation of the references to Moses and Elijiah, even if the his emphasis about the Messianic Secret goes in that direction. In the comment section of Tim's post I wrote: for the sake of comp...
by Giuseppe
Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dating the books of the New Testament belief not evidence
Replies: 37
Views: 708

Re: Dating the books of the New Testament belief not evidence

What moves me to assume a late date is the fact that our earliest Gospel assumes so much about what has to be allegorized (among rival sects, matters of dispute, persecutions, prophecies post eventum, apology, etc) that it makes to think that a lot of things were in whiletime happened before our ear...
by Giuseppe
Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A suggestive saying attributed to Elcasai
Replies: 2
Views: 84

Re: A suggestive saying attributed to Elcasai

Correction:
the phrase is attributed to Elchasai by the Codex of Colonia. p. 68, Henrichs-Koenen.
by Giuseppe
Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A suggestive saying attributed to Elcasai
Replies: 2
Views: 84

A suggestive saying attributed to Elcasai


every clod of earth is the flesh and blood of the Lord

(Augustine, Contra Faustum, 20:2)

So prof Robert M Price would be right to consider the death of the Man of Light BEFORE the foundation of the world (as in Apo 13:8) and giving life to it.

Afterall, the Elchasaites were Jewish Christians.
by Giuseppe
Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?
Replies: 34
Views: 362

Re: Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?

But then where does Detering take the idea that the Terapeutae allegorized the Exodus (and so they adored Moses as a Divine Crosser)?

I am very confused!
by Giuseppe
Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?
Replies: 34
Views: 362

Re: Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?

The evidence of the fact that the Terapeutae reenacted in their cult the Exodus myth (hence adoring Moses as Divine Crosser): 85) Then, when each chorus of the men and each chorus of the women has feasted separately by itself, like persons in the bacchanalian revels, drinking the pure wine of the lo...
by Giuseppe
Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?
Replies: 34
Views: 362

Re: Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?

1) Do you accept as historical reality the fact that the Terapeutae adored Moses as Divine Crosser? I haven't seen any evidence. Be my guess. Apparently you are correct but secunda facie no. We can be sure that really the Therapeutae allegorized the Exodus, they had to allegorize it, in order to ju...
by Giuseppe
Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?
Replies: 34
Views: 362

Re: Joshua 5:13-15 and Mark 16:8: midrash?

1) Do you accept as historical reality the fact that the Terapeutae adored Moses as Divine Crosser ? 2) Do you accept as historical reality the fact that the Naassenes adored Joshua as Divine Crosser ? 3) Do you accept as historical reality the fact that to answer "yes" to the questions 1 and 2 abov...