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by Giuseppe
Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat
Replies: 145
Views: 23063

Re: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat

to attack 'the intelligence of this 'spin' is beyond the pale - not nice at all.... :thumbdown: yet that is what you are doing, de facto . You are victim of the wrong view that 'spin' doubted Josephus as reliable witness of the historicity of any person mentioned by him. If your premise was true, t...
by Giuseppe
Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat
Replies: 145
Views: 23063

Re: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat

My remark relating to spin still stands: Accordingly, you should have a low consideration of the intelligence of this 'spin', :lol: if you concede that he disturbed himself to argue that Josephus didn't mention 'Jesus called Christ' in Antiquities 20:200 in a forum's context where the basic assumpt...
by Giuseppe
Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat
Replies: 145
Views: 23063

Re: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat

you have no historical evidence that your Jesus, Jesus b. Saphat, was a historical figure. This claim is absurd, extremely absurd. I don't care to comment this. How do you think the Jesus historicists are going to buy your argument? if they are Jesus historicists who concede the fact that "Mark" (a...
by Giuseppe
Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat
Replies: 145
Views: 23063

Re: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat

Here is a bit of advice that I learned from 'spin' some years ago. who is this 'spin' ? Can anything good come in support of your hyper-skepticism about Josephus' claims from one who has written: As it is clear that the story of the death of James is not derived from AJ 20.200, where did it come fr...
by Giuseppe
Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat
Replies: 145
Views: 23063

Re: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat

Tsk, tsk. The scholars you mention have given their list of cogent reasons to doubt about these mentioned figures. Can you raise equal reasons to cast doubt on the various historical Jesus(es) figures of the First Revolt account by Josephus, too ? Frankly, I doubt you can. Your logic ("doubt in some...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Incident of Tiberias remembered in Mark 12:13-17
Replies: 0
Views: 55

Incident of Tiberias remembered in Mark 12:13-17

I had written: There is a curious episode reported by Josephus about Jesus b. Sapphat that, I suspect, ended in the Gospel of Mark under a different form. Josephus' Vita 57 Mark 12:13-17 Commentary Now Jesus, who was the ruler, commanded that they should exclude all that came with me: for he kept th...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat
Replies: 145
Views: 23063

Re: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat

you insist always on Josephus who was reporting his own interpretations of the facts, and not the facts themselves, but all Josephus scholars know that already. What you (and Charles) are advancing is the absurd/irrational/idiotic idea that Josephus was inventing out of whole cloth figure after figu...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat
Replies: 145
Views: 23063

Re: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat

So - basically, you have two choices here: 1. the gospel writers used the writings of Josephus to write their Jesus gospel story. 2. the Josephan writer and whatever group of writers, thinkers, philosophers, were involved with him, were involved in the writing of the New Testament. Option 1. is a d...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat
Replies: 145
Views: 23063

Re: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat

Goodness - so many Jesus choices.....that's three down and how many to go? Hakeem said it even better than DCH as to implications: Before we get lost in these bizarre speculation about "who invented the name Jesus" it must be made clear that the name Jesus or the NT Jesus character's name was deriv...
by Giuseppe
Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat
Replies: 145
Views: 23063

Re: On the hypothesis that the Gospel Jesus == Jesus ben Saphat

There is a curious episode reported by Josephus about Jesus b. Sapphat that, I suspect, ended in the Gospel of Mark under a different form. Josephus' Vita 57 Mark 12:13-17 Commentary Now Jesus, who was the ruler, commanded that they should exclude all that came with me: for he kept the door himself,...