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Gavin Mcdowell doesn't believe that the historical Jesus was crucified under Janneus, and therefore he is titled to write: The most salient fact about the historical Jesus it that he died by crucifixion. The most notorious episode in the life of Alexander Jannaeus was his crucifixion of the 800 Phar...

Hence note the remarkable coincidence:

• Janneus is known to have crucified many Jews ⟶ for the Talmud: Janneus crucified Jesus

• Pilate is known to have crucified many Samaritans ⟶ for *Ev: Pilate crucified Jesus

Hence, in the chronological order: Jesus is undated in time and space. Anti-demiurgist Christians appeared on the scene in the Diaspora. At least a Samaritan, "Simon Magus", was one of them. Jews in the Diaspora started to condemn Jesus as a generic Samaritan impostor. Someone in the Diasp...

Peter Schäfer, Jesus in the Talmud , p. 122, my bold: It is left to the vicious acumen of Tertullian to summarize what the Jews think of Jesus. When he vividly imagines the last day of judgment—with the emperors who claimed to have been taken up to heaven, the governors of the provinces who persecut...

I do not believe that Couchoud is discussing a statement from Alfred Loisy, 'Marcion's Gospel. A Reply', Hibbert Journal 34 (1936) 378-387 there. I do not know where Loisy may have said what Couchoud is discussing. At contrary I think that Couchoud is replying just to that article, since Loisy coul...

Ok, but the point of the thread, beyond the title, is that Ben C. Smith claimed that we don't have evidence of the Marcion's interpretation of the demons's recognition of Jesus as a wrong recognition, whereas I have shown the point in Tertullian where it is clearly said that, according to Marcion, t...

I see that Loisy talks about the Lord's Prayer in the his other anti-Couchoud book ( Histoire et mythe à propos de Jésus-Christ , p. 140-141): Forme de l'Oraison dominale dans l' Evangelion ( Luc , XI, 2-4), traduction Couchoud: Père, que ton saint Esprit vienne sur nous et nous purifie. Que ton règ...

And yet Loisy seems to concede that in the case of the prayer of the Lord, a modification has been made directly against Marcion. At least judging from the reply by Couchoud: I will try to show that, to the four canonical Gospels, there must be added the Gospel of Marcion, now lost but almost comple...

Thank you! It seems that the reason given by Loisy to reject the birth stories: It follows that the third Gospel in its original state did not contain the birth stories. ...is not mere anti-marcionite polemic, but the fact that according to Loisy the production of the gospels was not “a single opera...

I point out this thread as the thread that saw me more totally in disagreement with Ben C. Smith.

See in particular my last post that fixed my point contra Ben.