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by Giuseppe
Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How much close was the Markan prioritist Bruno Bauer to accept the *Ev's priority?
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How much close was the Markan prioritist Bruno Bauer to accept the *Ev's priority?

Surely in this point : No one in the community knew when or how the Lord had come to the conviction of his calling, or how he had even come to this certainty of his destiny. But as gradually, alongside the belief in the sacrificial death and resurrection of the Redeemer, interest in his life story e...
by Giuseppe
Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus as the Genesiac Serpent in the Fourth Gospel
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Jesus as the Genesiac Serpent in the Fourth Gospel

While on the cross , Jesus is giving her mother (the church) to his beloved disciple (Paul?). The genesiac Serpent, while on the tree , is giving her gift to Eve and Adam. I wonder if the idea is found in nuce in previous gospels (*Ev or Mark). In Mark Jesus is silent on the cross: hardly he is giv...
by Giuseppe
Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev 7:24-28 based on Mark 9:9-13 ? The STRONGEST case of Markan priority over *Ev
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: Is *Ev 7:24-28 based on Mark 9:9-13 ? The STRONGEST case of Markan priority over *Ev

Luke 21:18 is absent in *Ev thanks to Epiphanius. Why is this information important in this thread? Because Luke 21:18 and the equivalent verse in Mark 13 have clearly in mind Mark 9:9-13, given that the contrast is intentional: Elijah was persecuted and was killed, while the Christians will be pers...
by Giuseppe
Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Torah ordained through angels
Replies: 8
Views: 153

Re: The Torah ordained through angels

Paul didnt say who these angels were but I'm guessing could be the archons of this aeon/rulers of this age. simple and clear. I agree. Removing these passages from Paul is what Joseph Turmel and Alfred Loisy did substantially, in order to save a historical Jesus from the threat represented by that ...
by Giuseppe
Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The precise point about Paul where Georgios Sidirountios meets Joseph Turmel
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Views: 825

Re: The precise point about Paul where Georgios Sidirountios meets Joseph Turmel

historical Jesus the Revolutionist, Hi Georgios, I remember that in your thesis you mentioned again and again a Greek scholar and politician active during the Resistance, a proponent of the seditionist Jesus (I go to memory, I don't remember the name). Have you thought to translate in English his b...
by Giuseppe
Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev 7:24-28 based on Mark 9:9-13 ? The STRONGEST case of Markan priority over *Ev
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: Is *Ev 7:24-28 based on Mark 9:9-13 ? The STRONGEST case of Markan priority over *Ev

Alas a difference! A weakness for the Markan priority: why did Mark feel the need of praising John the Baptist as Elijah just immediately after the Transfiguration episode? Wasn't it sufficient a such praise already in the incipit of the gospel, via the baptism etc? A minor contradiction would be in...
by Giuseppe
Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev 7:24-28 based on Mark 9:9-13 ? The STRONGEST case of Markan priority over *Ev
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: Is *Ev 7:24-28 based on Mark 9:9-13 ? The STRONGEST case of Markan priority over *Ev

Now for an opposed argument: Assume ex hypothesis that *Ev comes after Mark. The author of *Ev sees Mark devoted to exalt John the Baptist as Elijah after the Transfiguration episode and not only in the incipit of Mark . The author of *Ev removes a such sequel praising John == Elijah. And the author...
by Giuseppe
Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev 7:24-28 based on Mark 9:9-13 ? The STRONGEST case of Markan priority over *Ev
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: Is *Ev 7:24-28 based on Mark 9:9-13 ? The STRONGEST case of Markan priority over *Ev

Now this is interesting: Assume ex hypothesi that Mark comes after *Ev. Mark has just seen Elijah and Moses denigrated in the Transfiguration episode. Mark has just seen Jesus mentioning Malachi 3.1 in *Ev 7.27. Mark thinks: "I will rehabilitate both Elijah and John the Baptist by identifying t...
by Giuseppe
Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev 7:24-28 based on Mark 9:9-13 ? The STRONGEST case of Markan priority over *Ev
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: Is *Ev 7:24-28 based on Mark 9:9-13 ? The STRONGEST case of Markan priority over *Ev

Returning to my argument based on Bruno Bauer's, the following table may be useful: Mark *Ev Pattern in both Elija comes before a prophet is seen in the wilderness a fact is described but Elijah has already come really more than a prophet apparent exaltation but he was killed but he is inferior to P...
by Giuseppe
Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev 7:24-28 based on Mark 9:9-13 ? The STRONGEST case of Markan priority over *Ev
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: Is *Ev 7:24-28 based on Mark 9:9-13 ? The STRONGEST case of Markan priority over *Ev

rgprice wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 1:18 am The writer of Mark was able to take *Ev, identify scriptural parallels for scenes that originally were not constructed from scriptural parallels
It would be interesting to know about scenes in *Ev "that originally were not constructed from scriptural parallels".