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by gmx
Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Clement
Replies: 14
Views: 2189

Re: 1 Clement

This shows at the very least that someone in the second century wanted to believe that the Roman church had preeminence in the first century. And that's quite incredible. We don't know whether Justin Martyr had access to the Paulina, an "orthodox" canon did not exist until 180 AD (?), yet the autho...
by gmx
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Clement
Replies: 14
Views: 2189

Re: 1 Clement

1 Clement is clear testimony that the Roman church had authority over other Christian communities. The letter begins with a clear emulation of the superscription in the Pauline letters. There is a claim that the Corinthians have ask for a 'consultation' with the Romans: owing, dear brethren, to the...
by gmx
Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias
Replies: 21
Views: 17041

Re: Papias

As I have said in multiple places recently, I have doubts that the writings of Papias contained explanations of the sayings of Jesus. I don't believe we have, in the limited quotations available, any such example, which I find somewhat curious.
by gmx
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?
Replies: 57
Views: 34403

Re: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?

And as I've remarked previously, of the quotations we have from Papias' Expositions.... very few seem to have anything to do with the "sayings of the Lord". They're about Philip and his daughters, or Judas and his entrails, or as Eusebius says, "some other more fantastical things". If Papias' 5 vol...
by gmx
Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?
Replies: 57
Views: 34403

Re: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?

And as I've remarked previously, of the quotations we have from Papias' Expositions.... very few seem to have anything to do with the "sayings of the Lord". They're about Philip and his daughters, or Judas and his entrails, or as Eusebius says, "some other more fantastical things". If Papias' 5 vol...
by gmx
Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?
Replies: 57
Views: 34403

Re: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?

Let's not forget that Papias must have had a job that involved a lot of travel, as he was encountering folks who at least claimed to have heard the teachings of the first and second generation apostles and key disciples. I am not so sure about that. He writes, "And if anyone should chance to come a...
by gmx
Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How much of Mark 16:1-8 is original ?
Replies: 1
Views: 3470

How much of Mark 16:1-8 is original ?

I am spawning this thread to avoid hijacking Stephan's thread http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4637 In that thread, Stephan advances an argument that Mark's original testimony is that Jesus / Christ / Messiah disappears into the void after his death. There is no resurrection, and t...
by gmx
Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Somewhat of a Breakthrough in My Own Personal Research
Replies: 58
Views: 37772

Re: Somewhat of a Breakthrough in My Own Personal Research

I am not that smart. At best I am good at spotting parallels. Look at the Hebrew of Daniel 9:26. I render it: messiah will be killed and disappear = יכרת משיח ואין לו Couldn't that be the limit of meaning of the short (original) ending of Mark. It is a confirmation of scripture - in this case Danie...
by gmx
Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Significance of the Gospel of Thomas if the Canonical Gospels are late?
Replies: 14
Views: 9894

Re: Significance of the Gospel of Thomas if the Canonical Gospels are late?

The following is only going to be tangentially relevant to the OP, but the OP got my mind thinking in this direction. Feel free to reprimand me for this failure of etiquette. Papias refers to two writings, one by Mark, and one by Matthew, but does not call them gospels. Does not use that word "gospe...
by gmx
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How could Paul afford his extensive travels?
Replies: 25
Views: 21344

Re: How could Paul afford his extensive travels?

Doesn't the didache warn communities about false itinerant preachers exploiting Christian generosity? Doesn't that suggest that genuine preachers like Paul could expect the full support of fledgling Christian communities to support their missionary activities?