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by gmx
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?
Replies: 57
Views: 3126

Re: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?

And as I've remarked previously, of the quotations we have from Papias' Expositions.... very few seem to have anything to do with the "sayings of the Lord". They're about Philip and his daughters, or Judas and his entrails, or as Eusebius says, "some other more fantastical things". If Papias' 5 vol...
by gmx
Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?
Replies: 57
Views: 3126

Re: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?

And as I've remarked previously, of the quotations we have from Papias' Expositions.... very few seem to have anything to do with the "sayings of the Lord". They're about Philip and his daughters, or Judas and his entrails, or as Eusebius says, "some other more fantastical things". If Papias' 5 vol...
by gmx
Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?
Replies: 57
Views: 3126

Re: Did Papias report not the "sayings of the Lord" but "the oracles concerning the Lord"?

Let's not forget that Papias must have had a job that involved a lot of travel, as he was encountering folks who at least claimed to have heard the teachings of the first and second generation apostles and key disciples. I am not so sure about that. He writes, "And if anyone should chance to come a...
by gmx
Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How much of Mark 16:1-8 is original ?
Replies: 1
Views: 1375

How much of Mark 16:1-8 is original ?

I am spawning this thread to avoid hijacking Stephan's thread http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4637 In that thread, Stephan advances an argument that Mark's original testimony is that Jesus / Christ / Messiah disappears into the void after his death. There is no resurrection, and t...
by gmx
Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Somewhat of a Breakthrough in My Own Personal Research
Replies: 58
Views: 20455

Re: Somewhat of a Breakthrough in My Own Personal Research

I am not that smart. At best I am good at spotting parallels. Look at the Hebrew of Daniel 9:26. I render it: messiah will be killed and disappear = יכרת משיח ואין לו Couldn't that be the limit of meaning of the short (original) ending of Mark. It is a confirmation of scripture - in this case Danie...
by gmx
Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Significance of the Gospel of Thomas if the Canonical Gospels are late?
Replies: 14
Views: 5194

Re: Significance of the Gospel of Thomas if the Canonical Gospels are late?

The following is only going to be tangentially relevant to the OP, but the OP got my mind thinking in this direction. Feel free to reprimand me for this failure of etiquette. Papias refers to two writings, one by Mark, and one by Matthew, but does not call them gospels. Does not use that word "gospe...
by gmx
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How could Paul afford his extensive travels?
Replies: 25
Views: 11894

Re: How could Paul afford his extensive travels?

Doesn't the didache warn communities about false itinerant preachers exploiting Christian generosity? Doesn't that suggest that genuine preachers like Paul could expect the full support of fledgling Christian communities to support their missionary activities?
by gmx
Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who axed Acts 8:37?
Replies: 235
Views: 73051

Re: Who axed Acts 8:37?

The verse appears in the Old Latin, one of the Syriacs, the Vulgate, and one of the Coptics. So Ben, do you think the verse is original? I have read from Google one possible reason for the verse being removed... as the result of an early church interpretation that serious sin could not be forgiven ...
by gmx
Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who axed Acts 8:37?
Replies: 235
Views: 73051

Re: Who axed Acts 8:37?

It perhaps comes down to whether you accept an early or late (second century) date for the composition of Acts. If acts was composed at the extreme late end of the range, Ireneaus' citation is probably not far removed from the autograph. On the subject of the difficult reading principle, it appears ...
by gmx
Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who axed Acts 8:37?
Replies: 235
Views: 73051

Re: Who axed Acts 8:37?

Does anyone know the history behind why Acts 8:37 is missing (save a footnote) from the ESV, NRSV and most modern translations? Acts 8:37 "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thous mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." ...KJV Sincerel...