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by Nathan
Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Jesus of Nazareth an Arab?
Replies: 16
Views: 13111

Re: Was Jesus of Nazareth an Arab?

(Thinking of Palestinian Christians and the Palestinians being at least in part the natural descendants of the earlier inhabitants .) I don't mean to derail the thread, but do you happen to know of any evidence that substantiates that claim? I ask in all seriousness because I hear it a lot but have...
by Nathan
Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "the one they have pierced" is a "son of Joseph" for the Babilonian Talmud
Replies: 5
Views: 4131

Re: "the one they have pierced" is a "son of Joseph" for the Babilonian Talmud

Refer also to this one from the Tosefta: Tosefta, Zechariah 12.10: 10 And I shall cause to rest upon the house of David and upon the dwellers of Jerusalem a spirit of prophecy and true prayer. And afterwards Messiah bar Ephraim shall go forth to engage in battle with Gog, and Gog will slay him befo...
by Nathan
Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Messiah ben Joseph & Galilee; Messiah ben David & Judea.
Replies: 77
Views: 80362

Re: Messiah ben Joseph & Galilee; Messiah ben David & Judea.

We see Judean moves in the direction of the Christian messiah in the Second Temple era: e.g. the emerging view that Abraham did slay his son Isaac, who voluntarily gave himself as a human sacrifice, but who was restored again to life (e.g. to explain the angelic voice calling "Abraham" twice -- the...
by Nathan
Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Jesus?
Replies: 6
Views: 2369

Re: Why Jesus?

Mekhiltha Shirah 9 . Can someone quote this source? I think this reference is referring to the Mekhilta d'Rabbi Yishmael , the Shirah section supposedly consisting of 15.1-21 , but the numeration system in the reference does not seem to match the numeration system on Sefaria, which follows Exodus, ...
by Nathan
Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Messiah ben Joseph & Galilee; Messiah ben David & Judea.
Replies: 77
Views: 80362

Re: Messiah ben Joseph & Galilee; Messiah ben David & Judea.

..................................................................................................... There is a similar tradition attributed to Hai Goan, as well, in which it is added that an adversary "will slay Messiah ben Joseph" (a somewhat common fate for this messianic figure in the rabbinic...
by Nathan
Wed May 15, 2019 2:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Jesus the descendant of David in Mark?
Replies: 114
Views: 86194

Re: Is Jesus the descendant of David in Mark?

Talmudic literature knows several rabbis who used the matronymic "son of Martha," as well one called "Isaac son of Maryon." Also, the late ancient Jewish inscriptions from Beth She'arim refer to a "Justus son of Sappho," while the same from Rome refer to an "Euphranticus son of Veriana." Interestin...
by Nathan
Wed May 15, 2019 12:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Jesus the descendant of David in Mark?
Replies: 114
Views: 86194

Re: Is Jesus the descendant of David in Mark?

... James Tabor comments: ... In Judaism children are invariably referred to as sons or daughters of the father--not the mother... ... It is of course true that patrilineage is preferred within Judaism, but Tabor is flatly wrong when he claims Jewish children are " invariably referred to as sons or...
by Nathan
Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: First Century Christian Writings Missing from our Forum's Website
Replies: 172
Views: 111573

Re: First Century Christian Writings Missing from our Forum's Website

Oh, maybe the problem could be if Ebion is spelled differently in Aramaic (which I'm not familiar with). In any event, I wouldn't mind seeing a translation of whatever Lightfoot saw. Here is what I take to be the original reference in Lightfoot: https://books.google.com/books?id=-SlWAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA3...
by Nathan
Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Sanhedrin 43a: who is the "herald"?
Replies: 20
Views: 15102

Re: Sanhedrin 43a: who is the "herald"?

Jesus was hanged on Passover Eve. Forty days previously the herald had cried, “He is being led out for stoning, because he has practiced sorcery and led Israel astray and enticed them into apostasy. Whosoever has anything to say in his defense, let him come and declare it.” As nothing was brought f...
by Nathan
Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16
Replies: 26
Views: 17889

Re: Cleverly Devised Myths --- 2 Peter 1:16

To what doctrinal camp of Christianity would you place the author of 2 Peter? I suppose it was written by a post-70 CE Christian who was cool with Paul and Jewish Christianity ... to me it sounds like the author could have been a post-70 CE Nazarene Jewish Christian (or someone who was influenced b...