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by Paul the Uncertain
Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Fake News: Martyrdom of Peter and Paul
Replies: 15
Views: 267

Re: Fake News: Martyrdom of Peter and Paul

Great stuff.

Our colleague neilgodfrey beat the Beast on this:

http://vridar.org/2015/12/17/the-myth-o ... hristians/
by Paul the Uncertain
Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Myth versus Ritual: who is first?
Replies: 2
Views: 110

Re: Myth versus Ritual: who is first?

Immediate question: You might be interested in recent work by Jordan Peterson, clinical psychologist and academic (U. Toronto). He is much in the news in North America because of his resistance to speech codes, but he is also widely admired for the substance of his scholarship. https://jordanbpeter...
by Paul the Uncertain
Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?
Replies: 235
Views: 5385

Re: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?

Neil

Fine. If you feel our discussion is of insufficient commuity interest, then I withdraw.
by Paul the Uncertain
Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?
Replies: 235
Views: 5385

Re: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?

Neil I don't think this is an accurate summary of what I said but I am willing to leave you with the last word on this discussion. I appreciate the offer, but as I thought was clear, I don't know what you meant by "rationalizing." The last thing I thought I understood before I realized that I was l...
by Paul the Uncertain
Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:36 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?
Replies: 235
Views: 5385

Re: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?

Neil I have posed the above questions in various ways here and elsewhere many times before. I am still waiting for serious engagement with the issues they raise. In our own case, that may be because we have different lists. You and I seem to have parted company at 0. Read the damn thing. What's act...
by Paul the Uncertain
Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?
Replies: 235
Views: 5385

Re: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?

Neil True, but we are talking about removing it from the context of being relayed between parties as understood to be the report of a real experience. Well, we've done several deliberately artificial things with context in order to explore different related problems. Presumably there would come a t...
by Paul the Uncertain
Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?
Replies: 235
Views: 5385

Re: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?

Neil I took the story out of its Pliny context to make the point and your explanation here seems to me to only reinforce my point: evaluation towards historical core or fiction is impossible without reference to a context that is by definition external to the text. We don't disagree about that. App...
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?
Replies: 235
Views: 5385

Re: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?

Neil I thought we were trying to estimate "historicity" Yes, but we seem to agree that that can't be done from the text alone, so I proposed shifting onto a more positive track of what can be done from the text alone (not least because with the Gospels... well, those are lonely texts, aren't they?)...
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?
Replies: 235
Views: 5385

Re: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?

Neil I think you are reading your own life and experience into the story as we have it to the point of reading something quite different from what is in the text alone. One of the issues before us is whether what is on the page contradicts the natural order. I have first-hand knowledge of persons a...
by Paul the Uncertain
Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?
Replies: 235
Views: 5385

Re: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?

Neil You are reading a different story -- or reading into the story an alternative to the one written. No, I'm reading the artificially isolated story differently than you are. The story tells of nothing but people and events found in real life. I know a very tall, distractingly beautiful African w...