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by Paul the Uncertain
Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where in Antiquities Do We Suppose "These things happened to the Jews to avenge James the Just ..." Appeared?
Replies: 28
Views: 308

Re: Where in Antiquities Do We Suppose "These things happened to the Jews to avenge James the Just ..." Appeared?

SA I am very interested in why both Origen and Eusebius think Josephus had the words ... They don't think that, IMO. Even if we allow Eusebius the anachronistic punctuation that some modern translations insert there (quotation marks, also called inverted commas), then the phrasing clearly traces ba...
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?
Replies: 241
Views: 4206

Re: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?

John ? Eusebius claims he was directly quoting from Josephus' and that a key cause of the Jewish War was the murder of James the Just based on Josephus interpretation not his. Just because the quote is not in the Antiquities does not mean Eusebius made the quote up. Eusebius claimed he was quoting ...
by Paul the Uncertain
Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?
Replies: 241
Views: 4206

Re: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?

John T Wrong because Eusebius never claimed he was but rather that he is quoting Josephus from another known work, which is not extant. In II.23.20 of his Church History , Eusebius doesn't say he's quoting anybody when he gives a fair description of what were in fact Origen's views, namely that Jos...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?
Replies: 241
Views: 4206

Re: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?

Ulan Imagine we would not have the text of Josephus and all we had were the writings of the church fathers. We would naturally assume that what several of them said would be correct, here the role of "James the Just" in the outbreak of the Jewish War as portrayed by the historian Josephus. It's fun...
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Shroud and Historicity
Replies: 94
Views: 1650

Re: The Shroud and Historicity

I was disappointed that the response to the observation that the victim looks like a European was a learned disquisition about how he looks Sephardic. Lol. The provenance of the artifact is dodgy, the identification of its subject non-existent, and the body depicted is, to all appearances, dead. The...
by Paul the Uncertain
Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Shroud and Historicity
Replies: 94
Views: 1650

Re: The Shroud and Historicity

There's nothing about the picture of the guy that suggests he rose from the dead, but quite a bit that suggests that he is dead. Further, the guy looks awfully European for a supposed Palestinian native. I am prepared to concede that the shroud is independent in the required sense from the Talmudic ...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: An ancient historian writes about historical Jesus studies
Replies: 9
Views: 387

Re: An ancient historian writes about historical Jesus studies

Neil

Thank you so much for the taking the time to clarify your take on Finley's position.
by Paul the Uncertain
Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: An ancient historian writes about historical Jesus studies
Replies: 9
Views: 387

Re: An ancient historian writes about historical Jesus studies

Neil I am at sea, and perhaps you will be so kind as to help me. The statement from Finley you commented upon, having bolded it: There is one school of thought, to which I belong, which holds that no reconstruction is possible from such unsatisfactory evidence. and your comment about that statement...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?
Replies: 241
Views: 4206

Re: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?

Secret I must be simple-minded because I simply can't reconcile in my own head how anyone who becomes aware that so much early information has disappeared can have certainty that all that material fits within the subset of 'more of the same' with respect to information about early Christianity and ...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?
Replies: 241
Views: 4206

Re: Why Are Historicists So Certain That Jesus Existed?

andrew I take your point, but no specific role for human beings is required to establish the validity of a proof. The four-color theorem's proof is interesting for its combination of foundational importance and the lack of human supervision when proving it, but general-purpose automated theorem pro...