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by Paul the Uncertain
Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate and Josephus
Replies: 191
Views: 6869

Re: Pilate and Josephus

''apostolic succession' and its '' tradition of interpretation that supplements the core writing ' might have had, at one time, some relevance... I think you and I might agree that the uses of apostolic succession claims would change with time. For Irenaeus and his contemporaries, I think it might ...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate and Josephus
Replies: 191
Views: 6869

Re: Pilate and Josephus

On the issue of interpreting Irenaeus' robust view of the written gospels in the light of something handed down: The "persuasive force" of a system of "apostolic succession" is that it comes with a tradition of interpretation that supplements the core writing. This is not an "esoteric" tradition, in...
by Paul the Uncertain
Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate and Josephus
Replies: 191
Views: 6869

Re: Pilate and Josephus

maryhelena and rakovsky First, thank you both for a mind-expanding conversation. I appreciate your respective takes on these crucial ancient records bearing on Christian origins. My own personal views are more pedestrian. With respect to the received Testimony, I think there was a lapse in transmis...
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate and Josephus
Replies: 191
Views: 6869

Re: Pilate and Josephus

maryhelena Hi. I'm OK with the TF + Paulina + the expulsion block being a single contiguous exposition, received by us as originally composed by Josephus, if that's what happened. I'm certainly not saying that it couldn't have happened. What I'm energized about is that the received TF is a bone of ...
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate and Josephus
Replies: 191
Views: 6869

Re: Pilate and Josephus

rakovsky This has been a very informative and interesting exchange you and and Ben have been having. Nevertheless, there still is a lot more at stake in this than whether Josephus and his audience appreciated Oscan puns. If Josephus knowingly and intentionally misstated the name of a historical man...
by Paul the Uncertain
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate and Josephus
Replies: 191
Views: 6869

Re: Pilate and Josephus

rakovsky My guess is that he was spinning a report based partly on real events. ... My guess is that Josephus likely took that information and spun a lurid tale, naming his characters Paulina (after Paul, who is alluded to in the next story about the 4 Jewish swindlers) and Decius Mundus (meaning "...
by Paul the Uncertain
Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate and Josephus
Replies: 191
Views: 6869

Re: Pilate and Josephus

rakovsky Hi, again. I'm not entirely following your line of thought on Paulina and Mundus, although I share your interest in it, as we discussed earlier. It would help me if you could clarify whether you think Josephus invented these people and events, or instead believed that these events really h...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Blasphemy & the passion narrative before Mark.
Replies: 265
Views: 27569

Re: Blasphemy & the passion narrative before Mark.

I am not entirely sure what it is about Mark's narrative that is supposed to be incoherent. It is perfectly clear that his focal character is on a suicide mission. Jesus says so three times to his staff before being killed in the performance of the mission. The mission and its suicidal character are...
by Paul the Uncertain
Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The fact that Paul is not in the Gospels
Replies: 2
Views: 411

Re: The fact that Paul is not in the Gospels

Giuseppe How much of a fact is it? By choosing to frame his story within Jesus' public career, Mark cannot have Paul as a character as such. Nothing prevents Mark from having a "Paul surrogate" character, however, and I think that he does, in the unnanmed scribe who feeds Jesus a softball question ...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Many will come in my name.
Replies: 41
Views: 2604

Re: Many will come in my name.

neil Is "Mark" interested in compiling historical information of warnings for times and persons long past by the time he is writing or is he interested in passing on warnings that are relevant to his readers at the time he is writing? Of course we know nothing about the person "Mark," and so cannot...