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by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Source of Mark's Naked Youth Narrative?
Replies: 15
Views: 236

Re: The Source of Mark's Naked Youth Narrative?

I don't accept the idea that these minor prophets and lesser texts could have been the basis for a gospel narrative. Doesn't mean I am right. I am just skeptical. Joseph was iconic. Are you thinking that the writer had in mind a more philosophical exegesis? I was reading a book that mentioned somet...
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 14
Views: 388

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

dabber wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:45 am Thanks Joseph DL. I really like the layers theory, does make lot of sense, going to re-visit this. Cheers Adam
It is one theory among many. Scepticism is the key.
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 14
Views: 388

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

Thank you Peter. I know the last time my behaviour was becoming erratic, a consequence of real life bleeding into my participation on this forum. I apologize for the bad blood I caused.
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 14
Views: 388

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

Here is another rub to the question of priority: from what point of the sediment are we starting from for our excavation? If we are looking at these texts like fossils, and concluding that those on top came after those below them, then we can brush our hands off and call it a day. But Marcion above ...
by Joseph D. L.
Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 14
Views: 388

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

I take issue with dabber's characterization of Marcion's priority. Of course if consensus' dating of the synoptics and Paul are correct then Marcion's priority would not be feasible. But consider: if the consensus is correct it doesn't explain why Marcion would feel compelled to do what he is accuse...
by Joseph D. L.
Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Source of Mark's Naked Youth Narrative?
Replies: 15
Views: 236

Re: The Source of Mark's Naked Youth Narrative?

??? "And Noah began to be a husbandman, and planted a vineyard: and he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it up...
by Joseph D. L.
Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Source of Mark's Naked Youth Narrative?
Replies: 15
Views: 236

Re: The Source of Mark's Naked Youth Narrative?

I think in regards to the Judeo-Christian mystery interpretation, the gymno initiation rite is to return to a pre-fall state where Adam and Eve were naked in Eden. Also makes me think of Christians calling themselves athletes of Christ, since athletes performed naked in Greece.
by Joseph D. L.
Sun Mar 17, 2024 9:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 25
Views: 402

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

Epiphanius never says "after 70 CE". This is just rank traditionalism. He only says the Ebionites came after the Nazarenes. Epiphanius says that Ebion came after the Nazoraeans, whom had moved to Cocabe shortly before Jerusalem fell. The Ebionites' 'origin came after the fall of Jerusalem...
by Joseph D. L.
Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 25
Views: 402

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

I don't think the Ebionite Matthew was "anti-Jewish" for being anti-sacrifice and largely unobservant. That would be like saying Reform Jews are "anti-Jewish" for being anti-sacrifice and largely unobservant. But I figure a Jewish writing that promoted these things would have ap...
by Joseph D. L.
Fri Mar 15, 2024 8:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 25
Views: 402

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

But Paul was Jewish, so there is already a precedent for Marcion using Jewish writings. It's baked into Marcionism even if we set aside his gospel (unless Paul wasn't Jewish in Marcionism). So having access to and using a Jewish gospel wouldn't be unusual for Marcion (especially one that was largel...