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by Irish1975
Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Some Classicists on Annals 15.44
Replies: 11
Views: 252

Re: Some Classicists on Annals 15.44

...If this passage is an interpolation added sometime before the end of the fourth century (when the Christian writer Sulpicius Severus cites it), it would have to be an almost unbelievably brilliant piece of deception by a true master forger who was prepared to create a negative image of his own c...
by Irish1975
Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Some Classicists on Annals 15.44
Replies: 11
Views: 252

Re: Some Classicists on Annals 15.44

About Tacitus’ incorrect identification of Pilate as Procurator, rather than Prefect ... I think there was a period when both terms were used by the Romans, so that might not be an issue. Pilate is described as holding the office of “procurator.” This term was not used for the equestrian governors ...
by Irish1975
Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Some Classicists on Annals 15.44
Replies: 11
Views: 252

Re: Some Classicists on Annals 15.44

I think the case of Eusebius is weaker than this paragraph supposes. Eusebius' knowledge of Latin texts is pretty dismal (Andrew Carriker, The Library of Eusebius of Caesarea , pages 261-262). For example, the only text by Tertullian that he quotes is the Apology , and that only in Greek translatio...
by Irish1975
Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Some Classicists on Annals 15.44
Replies: 11
Views: 252

Re: Some Classicists on Annals 15.44

About Tacitus’ incorrect identification of Pilate as Procurator, rather than Prefect, they find an interesting connection in the Vetus Latina text of the NT: In these pre-Jerome Latin versions of the NT, at Luke 3:1, where in the Greek text Pontius Pilate’s office is described by the neutral Greek ...
by Irish1975
Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Some Classicists on Annals 15.44
Replies: 11
Views: 252

Some Classicists on Annals 15.44

There is a good discussion of the Testimonium Taciteum in a recent publication by 3 classical scholars: The Emperor Nero: A Guide to the Ancient Sources (Princeton UP, 2016), by Anthony Barrett, Elaine Fantham, & John Yardley (pp. 161-170). This section of Tacitus, and he is the only ancient source ...
by Irish1975
Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the Gospel Narrative a Conspiracy Theory?
Replies: 40
Views: 726

Re: Is the Gospel Narrative a Conspiracy Theory?

What I mean is, Mark can be seen as doing what Alex Jones does in the video. Sandy Hook is too horrible to comprehend. It must be an inside job. The gospel is similarly saying - there's got to be this other explanation other than Romans were better soldiers or the Jews were idiots. Oh yeah, the Jew...
by Irish1975
Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 93
Views: 49095

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

FWIW, I completely buy Trobisch's account of the "first edition" of the NT. IMO this is all one can ever claim to know about "gospels" coming into existence as literary texts. Analogy: Sir Charles Lyell dating the earth by looking at rock layer formations. For Trobisch the patristic testimony is wor...
by Irish1975
Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 93
Views: 49095

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

someone 'counterfeited' the gospel into a fourfold form in order to change Christianity to avoid continuing the criticism. Either way, the gospel was falsified for a specific purpose. It wasn't 'accidental' according to Celsus. And remember Celsus makes a good point. One would expect there to be on...
by Irish1975
Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:36 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 93
Views: 49095

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

Secret Alias wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:21 am
But your not getting it. The Marcionites had only one apostle. No 'apostle Peter,' no 'apostle anyone else.'
Did you even read what I wrote? I said exactly that.
by Irish1975
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 93
Views: 49095

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

The text "whom he also designated apostles" (Luke 6:13, cf. Mt 10:2) seems critical in a discussion of Marcion. One of the few things that is (so we are told) known about Marcion is that he knew and affirmed only one true apostle: Paul. So why would he publish a gospel that made the bumbling twelve ...