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by Irish1975
Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Johannine epistles as reaction to Marcionism?
Replies: 18
Views: 160

Re: Johannine epistles as reaction to Marcionism?


Τίς ἐστιν ὁ ψεύστης εἰ μὴ ὁ ἀρνούμενος ὅτι Ἰησοῦς οὐκ ἔστιν ὁ Χριστός; οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ ἀντίχριστος, ὁ ἀρνούμενος τὸν πατέρα καὶ τὸν υἱόν. (1 John 2:22)

Do you know about the drunk who lost his car keys and only looks for them near the street lamp, because the light is really good over there?
by Irish1975
Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Johannine epistles as reaction to Marcionism?
Replies: 18
Views: 160

Re: Johannine epistles as reaction to Marcionism?

rgprice wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:47 am
Are the Johannine Epistles a reaction to Marcionism.

If they aren't a reaction to Marcionism, then what are they are reaction to?

Are there any good resources that address this topic?
Is there a specific datum in in the Johannines that suggests a Marcionite background?
by Irish1975
Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Motive for Paul's persecution...
Replies: 6
Views: 339

Re: Motive for Paul's persecution...

It always bugs me when people say "Paul persecuted Christians" or Christ-worshippers. Because Paul never says that. What he says in Galatians, 1 Cor, and Philippians is that he persecuted the church of God out of zeal for Judaism and the fathers and traditions. That's all he tells us (unless I misse...
by Irish1975
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul's Motive for the Jerusalem Collection
Replies: 9
Views: 659

Re: Paul's Motive for the Jerusalem Collection

Lots of human actions, possibly most, have multiple layers of motives. I agree that your proposal could be the psychological reason for the collection, and I like that explanation in that context quite a lot. I’m glad this makes sense to you. Have you seen this idea in Paul scholarship? I believe t...
by Irish1975
Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul's Motive for the Jerusalem Collection
Replies: 9
Views: 659

Re: Paul's Motive for the Jerusalem Collection

Yes, as you say, - " ... "the churches of God," is a distinctive usage in 'authentic Paul' ..." but the question is: is it authentic? and, (how much of 'authentic Paul' is really authentic?) As you also say, - "Apart from a casual and vague and possibly inauthentic line in the appendix to Romans ("...
by Irish1975
Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul's Motive for the Jerusalem Collection
Replies: 9
Views: 659

Re: Paul's Motive for the Jerusalem Collection

isn't the obvious explanation his tremendous guilt for having persecuted the church of God ? ... They, "the churches of Judea in Christ", were the ones he had persecuted, so he wanted to make restitution. This explanation seems not only obvious but entirely sufficient, . What church of God? What 'c...
by Irish1975
Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul's Motive for the Jerusalem Collection
Replies: 9
Views: 659

Paul's Motive for the Jerusalem Collection

Paul's concern to raise a large donation from his flock in Galatia, Macedonia, and Achaia and deliver it to "the saints" or "the poor" in Jerusalem is a major preoccupation in his epistles (Galatians 2:10; 1 Cor 16:1–4; 2 Cor 8:1–9:15; Rom 15:14–32). This concern appears to have spanned his whole ca...
by Irish1975
Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evidence Christianity started as mythicist
Replies: 75
Views: 11897

Re: Evidence Christianity started as mythicist

Thomas Brodie Beyond the Quest for the Historical Jesus page 146-147 The idea that Paul was a literary figure did not remove the possibility that behind the epistles lay one outstanding historical figure who was central to the inspiring of the epistles , but that is not the figure whom the epistles...
by Irish1975
Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Do Fabulists Believe their own Fables?
Replies: 12
Views: 1792

Re: So you're contentious, and trolling?

No, Baudelaire was CERTAINLY a bullsh*tter and Narcissist. We should not equivocate on the truth (which does exist). This is irrelevant to the topic. The topic was your illustration of Baudelaire, his invention, etc. and what it means. That was addressed. Baudelaire isn't "Mark"; false equivalence,...
by Irish1975
Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Do Fabulists Believe their own Fables?
Replies: 12
Views: 1792

Re: Do Fabulists Believe their own Fables?

One issue here is how far Mark for example was constrained by the ideas about Jesus previously accepted by his audience. Andrew Crddle Yes. It’s clear that his Jesus at the time of writing was “a man who needed no introduction.” However, I’m not sure what “constrain” really amounts to. Was Christop...