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by Irish1975
Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 11729

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

FWIW, I completely buy Trobisch's account of the "first edition" of the NT. IMO this is all one can ever claim to know about "gospels" coming into existence as literary texts. Analogy: Sir Charles Lyell dating the earth by looking at rock layer formations. For Trobisch the patristic testimony is wor...
by Irish1975
Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 11729

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

someone 'counterfeited' the gospel into a fourfold form in order to change Christianity to avoid continuing the criticism. Either way, the gospel was falsified for a specific purpose. It wasn't 'accidental' according to Celsus. And remember Celsus makes a good point. One would expect there to be on...
by Irish1975
Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:36 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 11729

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

Secret Alias wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:21 am
But your not getting it. The Marcionites had only one apostle. No 'apostle Peter,' no 'apostle anyone else.'
Did you even read what I wrote? I said exactly that.
by Irish1975
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 11729

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

The text "whom he also designated apostles" (Luke 6:13, cf. Mt 10:2) seems critical in a discussion of Marcion. One of the few things that is (so we are told) known about Marcion is that he knew and affirmed only one true apostle: Paul. So why would he publish a gospel that made the bumbling twelve ...
by Irish1975
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 11729

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

Okay, Okay, I walked into that one. Nice job, guys. But my "copy of Marcion" is Jason BeDuhn's reconstruction. I also have an English translation of Matthias Klinghardt's text. And there is Ben's Greek/English rendering of Dieter Roth's edition. Granted that Marcion scholarship is something of a min...
by Irish1975
Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 11729

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

Furthermore, the idea of an original college of apostles, not including Paul, is established both within the Gospel narratives and through the Gospel titles. Went to check my copy of Marcion and--contrary to what I expected--he does appear to have Luke's notion of "the 12 apostles." The other 3 eva...
by Irish1975
Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 11729

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

3. The idea that Matthew, Mark and Luke were produced naturally (i.e. verbatim or near verbatim passages without copying) is impossible. It is possible the Marcionites had a more corrupt gospel and didn't know it was corrupted, but it is impossible that Matthew, Mark and Luke were falsified acciden...
by Irish1975
Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Wall
Replies: 11
Views: 7882

Re: The Wall

Secret Alias wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:41 pm
I've never understood depression. You are what you are. So what?
It's like having fingers that don't function properly. And it's not just self-referential, but also life-referential. Life just sucks you down sometimes.

But today I'm actually feeling better. Writing my book at least.
by Irish1975
Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Wall
Replies: 11
Views: 7882

Re: The Wall

for you Irish, the Mother of pink floyd has an inkling of this.. love https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dc/24/b7/dc24b727d1ec2e2bccc1a6d6858912ca.jpg (Guiseppe this is an official demiurge free zone, if you say anything about the demiurge she'll rip your balls off) OMG that is bomb, thank you David
by Irish1975
Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Wall
Replies: 11
Views: 7882

Re: The Wall

Depression and Music both have their day.