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by Irish1975
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul the First to Assert that Jesus was Crucified?
Replies: 73
Views: 19248

Re: Was Paul the First to Assert that Jesus was Crucified?

It seems that the crucifixion is mentioned only once in Romans, at 6:6: We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the sinful body might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin. Thus, in Romans, Paul shows no interest in the crucifixion as a historical event, but merely...
by Irish1975
Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What does "Christ" really mean?
Replies: 16
Views: 263

Re: What does "Christ" really mean?

1) Does anyone know of exact examples of the usage of the term christos outside of Christians writings? Here is the Liddell-Scott entry for the verb χρίω, which occurs frequently in Homer. Eg, in Odyssey 4.252, where Helen of Troy tells that she bathed Odysseus and anointed him with olive oil. 2) χρ...
by Irish1975
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why "Egypt" is "where also their Lord was crucified"
Replies: 22
Views: 4951

Re: Why "Egypt" is "where also their Lord was crucified"

Why would the editors of NA28 prefer "the corpse of them," -- which seems like nonsense -- to "their bodies"? The latter is attested in the oldest manuscripts, but more importantly it makes grammatical sense. If you are referring to "corpse/body" being singular, the so-called distributive singular ...
by Irish1975
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why "Egypt" is "where also their Lord was crucified"
Replies: 22
Views: 4951

Re: Why "Egypt" is "where also their Lord was crucified"

If you look at this photograph of the Codex Siniaticus, at the top of the third column of the page that begins with Revelation 10:8, you can see in the right margin where a later scribe wrote <αὐτῶ[ν]>: "their Lord," in place of "the Lord."

:wtf:
by Irish1975
Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why "Egypt" is "where also their Lord was crucified"
Replies: 22
Views: 4951

Re: Why "Egypt" is "where also their Lord was crucified"

Correction. <καὶ> in ὅπου καὶ ὁ κύριος does appear to be attested in the Codex Siniaticus.
by Irish1975
Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why "Egypt" is "where also their Lord was crucified"
Replies: 22
Views: 4951

Re: Why "Egypt" is "where also their Lord was crucified"

I just received in the mail my handsome hardcover 28th Nestle-Aland NTG. It does seem "easier to use" (Trobisch) than the 27th. As for Rev 11:8, there is no longer a citation, as in the 27th, of the "few" (pauci) 12th c. manuscripts that have "our Lord" instead of "their Lord." Less confusing (to me...
by Irish1975
Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Christ Odes
Replies: 15
Views: 2176

Re: The Christ Odes

If Charlesworth, Lattke, Aune, Hurtado and the general run of Christian scholars who have studied the Odes are so firm in their opinion that it really is Jesus speaking in the Odes of Solomon, I have two questions: 1) Why don't theologians and historical Jesus questers today ever attribute these wor...
by Irish1975
Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Christ Odes
Replies: 15
Views: 2176

Re: The Christ Odes

Two schools of thought on the shift between human and divine voice that occurs in the Odes of Solomon-- "David Aune says the Odes preserve a distinctive type of early Christian utterance, "the prophetic hymn," in which Jesus speaks in first person. ...At certain points the "voice" speaking appears t...
by Irish1975
Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The date of 2 Thessalonians.
Replies: 116
Views: 31320

Re: The date of 2 Thessalonians.

Let's separate the issue of (1) the death and resurrection of Jesus, an already witnessed event for Paul in 1 Thessalonians, from (2) the anticipated general resurrection that will attend the parousia. (1) Death and Resurrection of Jesus Without resurrection, how did Jesus get to heaven...? It is no...
by Irish1975
Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The date of 2 Thessalonians.
Replies: 116
Views: 31320

Re: The date of 2 Thessalonians.

What do you make of the lack of reference to Jesus' (or anyone's) resurrection? This wasn't addressed to me, but after taking another look at 2 Thess. 2, doesn't 2:1:2 presuppose resurrection? Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him , we ask you, br...