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by Irish1975
Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 78
Views: 22053

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

The phrase in question is ὑπὲρ τῶν ἀδελφῶν μου τῶν συγγενῶν μου ("on behalf of my brethren, my kin," Romans 9.3). I have no actual statistics to tell me how common or uncommon such a construction is, but I can give examples of the same construction from elsewhere: μετὰ τοῦ κυρίου μου τοῦ βασιλέως (...
by Irish1975
Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 78
Views: 22053

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

We would have to wonder whether he means fellow believers in Christ (hence, brethren) who are Jews like him, although still keepers of the Torah. And if that would be the circle that includes James, Cephas, and John.* It sounds like you are trying to make "the brethren of my kinsmen" mean "the bret...
by Irish1975
Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 78
Views: 22053

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

Romans 9:3-4a is critical for interpreting Romans 9-11, since it introduces the object of Paul's concern throughout the discourse: ηὐχόμην γὰρ ἀνάθεμα εἶναι αὐτὸς ἐγὼ ἀπὸ τοῦ Χριστοῦ ὑπὲρ τῶν ἀδελφῶν μου τῶν συγγενῶν μου κατὰ σάρκα, οἵτινές εἰσιν Ἰσραηλῖται For I could wish that I myself were accurs...
by Irish1975
Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Canon
Replies: 43
Views: 12999

Re: The Canon

How do we know that all of those New Testaments (Tertullian's, Origen's, and so on) contained the exact same list of books? Without having consulted their texts specifically, I believe (but correct me if I'm wrong) that these authors generally or always cite the NT books under the same titles that ...
by Irish1975
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Canon
Replies: 43
Views: 12999

Re: The Canon

Thanks for this thoughtful and interesting response Ben, as usual. While I find the idea of a single influential publication, as in your #1 above, to be plausible enough, I do not think it dispenses with some of the other processes going on in the early church. So we have this book published in cent...
by Irish1975
Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Canon
Replies: 43
Views: 12999

Re: The Canon

Nice work! Thanks DCH.
by Irish1975
Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Canon
Replies: 43
Views: 12999

Re: The Canon

BeDuhn holds that the title "New Testament," which he wants to ascribe to Marcion, is otherwise little in evidence until the 4th century. But this seems to be wrong. We have already noted the anonymous anti-Montanist writer who explicitly refers to a written text as "the New Testament" in the late ...
by Irish1975
Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The date of 2 Thessalonians.
Replies: 120
Views: 46262

Re: The date of 2 Thessalonians.

What was the outcome here of the discussion re the nature of the temple per 2 Thess. 2:1-4 (http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3460&hilit=hadrian&start=100#p98959) ? It seems to have been deflected by a discussion on the resurrection, or have I misread the thread? ( One post did ins...
by Irish1975
Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Canon
Replies: 43
Views: 12999

Re: The Canon

[Please note that I added two new posts to this thread; the first is on page 3.]
by Irish1975
Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Canon
Replies: 43
Views: 12999

Re: The Canon

A recent example of good NT scholarship that appears to me to be hampered by a confused and anachronistic understanding of NT canonicity is Jason BeDuhn's The First New Testament: Marcion's Scriptural Canon . There are two problems. First, BeDuhn adopts a 4th century, and thus anachronistic, notion ...