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by nightshadetwine
Mon Apr 22, 2024 9:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors
Replies: 10
Views: 272

Re: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors

Sophia/Wisdom as mediator and possible Isis influences on The Wisdom of Solomon: "Isis and Sophia in the Book of Wisdom", John S. Kloppenborg in Harvard Theological Review / Volume 75 / Issue 01 (1982): If the book of Wisdom (Wisdom of Solomon) was written in Alexandria in the Late Ptolema...
by nightshadetwine
Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors
Replies: 10
Views: 272

Re: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors

I have shown that mediating deities were common throughout ancient Near Eastern and Greco-Roman culture. Humans needed some type of mediator and model to show them how to connect with god/s or the divine. It's no surprise that Jesus became a preexistent being associated with Wisdom and the Logos or...
by nightshadetwine
Sat Apr 20, 2024 4:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors
Replies: 10
Views: 272

Re: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors

IMO per Plato_2.0, Pneuma is the invisible power that imparts motion to humans like the invisible wind in a ship's sail causes a ship to have motion. Literally a ghost-wind that causes humans to move, eat, etc. when present and drop dead when absent (imagine how they explained a sudden massive hear...
by nightshadetwine
Sat Apr 20, 2024 12:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors
Replies: 10
Views: 272

Re: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors

Ancient Near Eastern and Greco-Roman kings also acted as mediators between the divine and humans. Some of them were even said to be preexistent and were associated with the logos like Jesus. How the Gospels Became History: Jesus and Mediterranean Myths (Yale University Press, 2019), M. David Litwa: ...
by nightshadetwine
Sat Apr 20, 2024 12:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors
Replies: 10
Views: 272

Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors

In Middle Platonism the logos or demiurge (there was a lot of overlap between the two) became something like a divine model for philosophers. The logos/demiurge was seen as a mediator between the transcendent god and humans. This also isn't all that different to how some of the heroes and mystery cu...
by nightshadetwine
Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John Granger Cook 2017 article on the Question of an Empty Tomb in 1 Corinthians 15
Replies: 18
Views: 539

Re: John Granger Cook 2017 article on the Question of an Empty Tomb in 1 Corinthians 15

sure but there seems more going on here than just events being described, like why the stories have odd features and details. and maybe metaphorical meanings in there. are these just plain stories or do they encode other information? after all there's the esoteric sayings that turn up in Thomas, a ...
by nightshadetwine
Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John Granger Cook 2017 article on the Question of an Empty Tomb in 1 Corinthians 15
Replies: 18
Views: 539

Re: John Granger Cook 2017 article on the Question of an Empty Tomb in 1 Corinthians 15

after all , the epistles undermine the claim when they reveal there were other competing traditions and i think it is such as these that may have sourced the gospel stories. I think we also can't just assume that the Gospel stories are based (or mostly based) on other traditions. It's possible that...
by nightshadetwine
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John Granger Cook 2017 article on the Question of an Empty Tomb in 1 Corinthians 15
Replies: 18
Views: 539

Re: John Granger Cook 2017 article on the Question of an Empty Tomb in 1 Corinthians 15

Another interesting thing to point out is the words that are used for resurrection mean to go from a laying position to an upright position. To go from a sleeping position, to a waking position. So resurrection is "getting up" and "awakening". Waking from sleep was a common metap...
by nightshadetwine
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John Granger Cook 2017 article on the Question of an Empty Tomb in 1 Corinthians 15
Replies: 18
Views: 539

Re: John Granger Cook 2017 article on the Question of an Empty Tomb in 1 Corinthians 15

I completely agree with Ken Olson. Just because Paul believed that Jesus was physically raised to heaven doesn't mean Paul knew about anyone actually finding the tomb empty like we find in Mark. The story of people finding the tomb empty could be completely made-up. I personally think the finding of...
by nightshadetwine
Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Plato's Cave, the Gospel of John, and Initiation: From Darkness to Light
Replies: 2
Views: 637

Re: Plato's Cave, the Gospel of John, and Initiation: From Darkness to Light

The logos that brings light and life into the world is comparable to the Egyptian sun god who brings light and life into the world and the underworld. Egyptian Solar Religion in the New Kingdom: RE, Amun and the Crisis of Polytheism (Routledge, 1995), Jan Assmann: The phrase "secret words in hi...