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by davidmartin
Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nazarene Christianity
Replies: 7
Views: 283

Re: Nazarene Christianity

Hi John2 I think the reason for me is that he was accused of breaking the law by the pharisees etc And he did do some stuff that appeared to go against the traditions. now you might say the traditions isn't the law, yes that's true but then it gets into the fine line between relaxing traditions yet ...
by davidmartin
Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
Replies: 52
Views: 837

Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist

Yes Nasruddin and now we can see why Paul didn't mention such a rival figure! Why would Paul mention a person who had some of the clout of Jesus and presumably to John's disciples, maybe a lot more! The Gospels also record that John still had disciples even after Jesus's ministry! You might think Jo...
by davidmartin
Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nazarene Christianity
Replies: 7
Views: 283

Re: Nazarene Christianity

Answer me this, if a disciple of Jesus while he was with them had asked him "Lord do those who believe in you have to follow the law?"
Would he say yes or no?
which is it...

My theory accounts for the answer to this question just very simply
by davidmartin
Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
Replies: 52
Views: 837

Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist

i doubt that Giuseppe - is that hymn Jewish or Greek in style? I bet you Ignatius of Antioch that it's not Jewish. no.. that hymn is a Pauline church concoction i'm sure of it Interestingly there are 2 early writings that fail to mention the name Jesus (The Shepherd, and the Odes) The Pillars you me...
by davidmartin
Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
Replies: 52
Views: 837

Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist

Maybe he does mention the problem... always Paul has to repeat again and again the name 'Jesus'. Maybe this is because there were other names in use by various others. This tendancy is muted in Paul, but by the time of say 1 John it's more in the open, there it clearly says some opponents say Jesus ...
by davidmartin
Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
Replies: 52
Views: 837

Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist

But you could also say "Paul didn't like talking about John the baptist" I mean - for Paul Christ is very nearly a cosmic, spiritual being He didn't want to talk about Jesus's earthly life, at all. Not his life, his teachings, his story So he isn't going to mention others either, like John He was fo...
by davidmartin
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
Replies: 52
Views: 837

Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist

not going to find the answers in Paul Guiseppe i think Paul adopts a method of never naming his opponents or reveal any historical details that might help This is actually quite 'Gnostic' of him. Since when do Gnostic texts do this either?! With such a common name as 'John' and multiple John's on th...
by davidmartin
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nazarene Christianity
Replies: 7
Views: 283

Re: Nazarene Christianity

What does Torah observant even mean? If you follow the Torah then any prophet who comes along teaching abandoning the Torah should be expelled as a false prophet This makes Paul a false prophet beyond any doubt. The Jewish bible is very clear on this point There is no way that positing a conservativ...
by davidmartin
Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Irenaeus identify John with Jesus without knowing it?
Replies: 20
Views: 531

Re: Did Irenaeus identify John with Jesus without knowing it?

IMO the mistake Guiseppe makes is to assume black and white, either some 'adorer of YHWH' or a sworn enemy of YHWH! I don't think this is a useful construct especially not in the 1st century Here's the example, say Theudas was a spiritual teacher, teaching about love and doing good peacefully Say he...
by davidmartin
Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: One of the two witnesses of Revelation was called Jesus/Joshua
Replies: 20
Views: 637

Re: One of the two witnesses of Revelation was called Jesus/Joshua

and Cerinthus, the likely author

Hard to see this revelation as 'Christian' in any sense