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by davidmartin
Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcionite agreements with Matthew against Luke?
Replies: 73
Views: 4259

Re: Marcionite agreements with Matthew against Luke?

This is one element the eventual Catholicism blended in from the heretical movements, that Jesus was also God, and equal part of the trinity. But itwas not the position of the early proto-Orthodox. that is an interesting question but it may be not that the proto-orthodox blended from the heretical ...
by davidmartin
Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The peculiar case of the two masters
Replies: 20
Views: 1488

Re: The peculiar case of the two masters

I'm ignoring Hakeem for the most part, i think differently and there isn't much common ground or any room for debate, it seems pointless to engage him
by davidmartin
Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The peculiar case of the two masters
Replies: 20
Views: 1488

Re: The peculiar case of the two masters

Hakeem's complaint against Thomas is unconvincing "He said to them, "Give the emperor what belongs to the emperor, give God what belongs to God, and give me what is mine." When a three part saying was a common form, a standard device in those days (i don't remember where i read that, sorry) it also ...
by davidmartin
Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 180
Views: 8108

Re: dating the birth stories?

Cora, your conviction the catholic church, people like Irenaeus, made stuff up isn't really new It goes all the way back to the early days of theological study hundreds of years ago, when texts like 1 Peter and 2 Peter started being seen as pseudo-graphical and many on this forum think the gospels a...
by davidmartin
Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: who invented the name Jesus?
Replies: 56
Views: 2101

Re: who invented the name Jesus?

There is a church father who complains of people calling him Chrestos instead of Christos Chrestos has the meaning of 'the good' The father says people who do this are uneducated silly people Maybe someone here knows who said this because i've forgotten so i can't quote the actual words. sorry. Then...
by davidmartin
Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The peculiar case of the good treasure
Replies: 3
Views: 603

Re: The peculiar case of the good treasure

I grew up on star trek original and hated the remakes went to see the 2009 movie with some friends with 0 expectations but it turned out to be pretty good in fact when the credits rolled it was like a quasi-mystical silence of seeing something great then exactly 30 seconds later the first moan and p...
by davidmartin
Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 180
Views: 8108

Re: dating the birth stories?

One of the points raised to argue James must draw from Luke/Matthew is the mention of Zechariah I had a look at this and it seemed to fall apart spectacularly! The argument is both Luke and Matthew mention Zechariah's murder - well away from the birth narrative where he appears in James Thus if Luke...
by davidmartin
Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 180
Views: 8108

Re: dating the birth stories?

Ben, Some of your objections could be answered Supposing that gospels were in circulation at the time of composition - but they lacked birth narratives Then, the jarring introduction of characters wouldn't be so unexpected. It was meant to fill in the gap The James infancy gospel pre-supposes famili...
by davidmartin
Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 180
Views: 8108

Re: dating the birth stories?

there's no point in me putting lipstick on something that's already got makeup on! i already said i thought it might be the source and if i was forced to choose i'd say it was yeah for sure. Not sure how you're reading it the other way! I get that all the time. I annoy people. I annoy myself too. Gl...
by davidmartin
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 180
Views: 8108

Re: dating the birth stories?

Well, i'm very curious about the unique word 'full of grace' kecharitomene It's such a rare form almost never used anywhere else in Greek literature (it's the form not the word that's unique). I thought it might be possible to see if there's any other unusual words in James that would fit this style...