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by davidmartin
Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How should the “rollercoaster” phrase in Romans 10:6-8 be understood?
Replies: 5
Views: 114

Re: How should the “rollercoaster” phrase in Romans 10:6-8 be understood?

Baley good theory but the "do not ask" part are you sure this not representing questioning who gets to go to heaven/who is saved? this question appears a few times in scripture - because it mentions following of the law brings salvation in the 1st verse quoted, then represents the question...
by davidmartin
Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 108
Views: 3381

Re: Gospel priority

Have you read Mark Goodacre's 'Fatigue in the Synoptics" or his introductory book: The Synoptic Problem: A Way Through the Maze, which has a section on the argument from fatigue? It doesn't sound like you have grasped the argument or why it would be convincing to anyone. You're just saying tha...
by davidmartin
Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How should the “rollercoaster” phrase in Romans 10:6-8 be understood?
Replies: 5
Views: 114

Re: How should the “rollercoaster” phrase in Romans 10:6-8 be understood?

I understand the confusion and what you must be going through - you have, after all, tried to make sense of Romans it seems to address quibbling over who gets to be "saved" within the community over various disagreements and the author is reprimanding saying that's like re-enacting the mys...
by davidmartin
Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 108
Views: 3381

Re: Gospel priority

Luke omits the part of the parable where the seed sprang up quickly because it lacked depth of soil. However, he still provides an interpretation for that part of the parable! Where Mark’s seed on the rock withered “because it had no root”, Luke changes the reason to be that “it withered for lack o...
by davidmartin
Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Melito called Jesus the Father. What are some other strange Christologies found in the Church Fathers?
Replies: 3
Views: 143

Re: Melito called Jesus the Father. What are some other strange Christologies found in the Church Fathers?

the Shepherd of Hermas is in the strange Christology business, just call his toll free number "6[59]:5 The Holy Pre-existent Spirit. Which created the whole creation, God made to dwell in flesh that He desired. This flesh, therefore, in which the Holy Spirit dwelt, was subject unto the Spirit, ...
by davidmartin
Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:17 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Morton Smith, Private Teaching, and γυμνὸς γυμνῷ
Replies: 1
Views: 110

Re: Morton Smith, Private Teaching, and γυμνὸς γυμνῷ

the secret gospel has Jesus favouring a new guy over his previously chosen female disciples and mother. this is way more interesting than the naked part if you ask me. sounds like secret mark's saying 'don't listen to stuff to with them listen to us, we got the real info'.
by davidmartin
Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 17
Views: 581

Re: The Date of Marcion

It comes from Irenaeus, here along with Saturnil he's a very early founder of a Gnostic sect that teaches the laughing Jesus body swap (found in NHL Apoc. Peter which I took to mean it was Basilidean and prime example of Basilides). This stuff makes him appear a hardcore Gnostic Basilides. I'm findi...
by davidmartin
Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 17
Views: 581

Re: The Date of Marcion

got to say this info on Basilides makes me doubtful on the date of it it kind of looks like a Basilidean tract trying to fit in with orthodoxy and tick the right boxes, similar to certain Valentinian texts so i wonder how sure we can be this is genuine Basilides and not a later piece i mean, there's...
by davidmartin
Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?
Replies: 19
Views: 474

Re: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?

There is no indication in the letters that Paul was talking about the worship of a real person. The Jesus of the Pauline letters is clearly a deity. yes, but the Jesus of the gospels is a prophet, a spirit possessed human. so it's a short jump to say the spirit is Jesus by Paul rather than seeing t...
by davidmartin
Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?
Replies: 19
Views: 474

Re: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?

I think earliest belief was a mythological Jesus per Paul's original letters, as explained by Richard Carrier's Jesus from Outer Space. Seems to be the general tenor of the responses. A sign of the times that Marcionites-first is rejected not because of mainstream scholarship, but because it isn't ...