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by MrMacSon
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
Replies: 26
Views: 267

Re: Jesus and other saviors/heroes

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I think the Antinoos-Osiris, Antinoos-Hermes, and, it seems the Antinoos-Dionysus, cults are likely to have influenced the genesis of Christianity.
by MrMacSon
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
Replies: 26
Views: 267

Re: Jesus and other saviors/heroes

I think Christianity got it's universalism from the mystery cults. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Carrier#Jewish_and_Hellenistic_syncretism: Carrier notes four major trends in religion, occurring prior to the formation of Christianity: "Syncretism: combining a foreign cult deity with Helleni...
by MrMacSon
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
Replies: 26
Views: 267

Re: Jesus and other saviors/heroes

If you are looking at influences, I'd focus on the Jewish scriptures as the most likely source, and then branch out from there ... You may well be right that a parallel is an indication of influence, but it can't be assumed. I think Christianity started from Jewish scriptures but also incorporated ...
by MrMacSon
Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:49 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: The Mishna, etc
Replies: 118
Views: 33036

Re: The Mishna, etc

In the Ethics of the Fathers ( Pirkei Avot ), we read that Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai had five distinguished disciples, whom he asked to go out and see the best way to live our lives. Rabbi Eliezer said a good eye; Rabbi Yehoshua, a good friend; Rabbi Yose, a good neighbour; Rabbi Shimon, someone wh...
by MrMacSon
Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
Replies: 26
Views: 267

Re: Jesus and other saviors/heroes

... I just think that by the time of Paul mystery cult elements were added. I think it was probably obvious to early Christians that the dying and resurrecting savior [Jesus] was very similar to the Greco-Roman saviors and mystery cults. So by the time of Paul a mystery cult had formed [around Jesu...
by MrMacSon
Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
Replies: 26
Views: 267

Re: Jesus and other saviors/heroes

... Any pagan influence, and really IMO its less mythical influence than philosophical, had been subtly infused into Jewish story telling over hundreds of years and had been heavily imbued with Jewish characteristics. A lot of the 1st century BCE - 1st century CE stories were heavily influenced by ...
by MrMacSon
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
Replies: 26
Views: 267

Re: Jesus and other saviors/heroes

Now baptism as a practice does seem to have been borrowed from the mystery religions, but that's more of a practice of the cult than an attribute of Jesus himself. . I agree. One particular mystery religion that used immersion in water was the cult of Sarapis ('Serapis' to the Romans), a religion e...
by MrMacSon
Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Hegesippus break the equation "James brother of Lord = Son of Zebedee"?
Replies: 11
Views: 294

Re: Did Hegesippus break the equation "James brother of Lord = Son of Zebedee"?

R. Alan Culpepper, in John, the Son of Zebedee: The Life of a Legend ,Univ of South Carolina Press, 1994, makes reference to conjecture by J.H. Bernard that "corruption in the text of Papias led to confusion of James the brother of Jesus and James the son of Zebedee and the corruption was then read ...