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by MrMacSon
Wed May 22, 2019 1:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: In P52 Titus (and not Pilate) crucified Jesus
Replies: 4
Views: 145

Re: In P52 Titus (and not Pilate) crucified Jesus

Battle of Taricheæ: Titus defeated Jesus ben Saphat. War 3:6 - [note the different bolding and underlining ] Luke 23:7-15 Hereupon Titus sent one of his horsemen to his father, and let him know the good news of what he had done ; at which , as was natural, he was very joyful , both on account of th...
by MrMacSon
Fri May 17, 2019 3:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 66
Views: 5028

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

I disagree that "The change to direct speech is a red herring" (and I don't see the point of an Obama analogy). In what way does changing a statement from indirect speech to direct speech constitute misrepresentation? The fact that you do not understand the Obama analogy leads me to wonder whether ...
by MrMacSon
Fri May 17, 2019 5:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 66
Views: 5028

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

I've just started reading Mark Edwards' Religions of the Constantinian Empire , 2015, OUP, Oxford (I started it just before Ben started this thread). Here's some excerpts from the first chapter . 1. Christian versus Pagan in Eusebius of Caesarea [p.3 onwards, Kindle Edition ... ] It is fitting that ...
by MrMacSon
Fri May 17, 2019 3:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 66
Views: 5028

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

... There is no place in which Josephus says that Jerusalem fell as vengeance for what the Jews did to James the Just. Yes, I know that. ... That passage was never in Josephus; Origen (mis)interpreted it out of Josephus. Yes, I agree. But the point is that Eusebius takes - or seems to take - that (...
by MrMacSon
Wed May 15, 2019 11:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 66
Views: 5028

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

... I set up an account here as 'Ben C Smith' and always chimed in 'I always agree with Stephan. He's brilliant.' What is going on here? What is this? Will the real Ben C Smith stand up ?? :lol: :D :P Joking aside, including my misrepresentation by omission, I think a lot of things, including attri...
by MrMacSon
Wed May 15, 2019 10:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 66
Views: 5028

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

... one of my objections to pegging Eusebius as a/the forger of the Testimonium: Origen, Against Celsus 1.47: .... Josephus... even says, being unwillingly not far from the truth, that these things befell the Jews as vengeance for James the Just, who was a brother of Jesus who is called Christ, sin...
by MrMacSon
Wed May 15, 2019 5:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 66
Views: 5028

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Paul Hopper's 2014 article adds weight to Olson's argument. I know that article adds weight to the Testimonium being a forgery. But the weight it adds to Eusebius himself being the forger is minimal at best: Footnote 10: Eusebius of Caesarea (263–339) is sometimes mentioned as a possible author of ...
by MrMacSon
Wed May 15, 2019 5:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 66
Views: 5028

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

... I want to compile a list of passages for which arguments have been mounted (not merely suspicions coddled) in favor of Eusebius, instead of merely quoting a source, having actually forged that source, or at least added interpolations to it. (I am not concerned with Eusebius having subtracted fr...
by MrMacSon
Wed May 15, 2019 3:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the Study of Early Christianity and its Key Entities more Prosopography than Historiography?
Replies: 0
Views: 742

Is the Study of Early Christianity and its Key Entities more Prosopography than Historiography?

Prosopography = an investigation of the common characteristics of a historical group (whose individual biographies may be largely untraceable) by means of a collective study of their lives or purported activities *, in 'multiple career-line analysis'. * added Prosopography involves the collection an...
by MrMacSon
Thu May 09, 2019 2:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: McGrath to Research Communist Christ Mythicism
Replies: 9
Views: 1126

Re: McGrath to Research Communist Christ Mythicism

During the time we lived in Romania ... I entered an antique shop that had some books on religion from the communist period. I found them interesting but strange, presenting Jesus as a purely mythological person with traits and characteristics taken over from previous mythological people and gods. ...