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by MrMacSon
Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus
Replies: 31
Views: 330

Re: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus

orthodoxy as we know it seems to have an attachment with 'Rome' On what basis do you say that. How could it have been when none of the alleged key figures of early Christianity (eg, Irenaeus & Tertualian) were based there? It may have as much attachment to Caesarea Maritima. something like the orth...
by MrMacSon
Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus
Replies: 31
Views: 330

Re: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus

Well, if Soter was his baptismal name, what would be the issue? It doesn't seem to be a common Greek name of that era. --------------------------------------- Some of these are likely to be duplicates. Some are likely to be legends - Dionysius the Areopagite, Athenian judge who was converted by Pau...
by MrMacSon
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thomas Scott - Irenaeus Never Existed
Replies: 13
Views: 267

Re: Thomas Scott - Irenaeus Never Existed

Ben C. Smith wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:23 pm
Here is the statement, and I have added my own comments in brackets ...
  • Thank you very much Ben! (and I just realised that I had briefly thought Irlat might mean Latin version of Irenaeus).
by MrMacSon
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus
Replies: 31
Views: 330

Re: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus

2. the uniformity of Christianity. I know that the neo-mountainman adherents like to imagine the Imperial government 'imposing' a Palestinian religion on to the masses. But this is insane. It didn't take place this way. I agree. What happened clearly was the creation of (a) a new book (b) a mystery...
by MrMacSon
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus
Replies: 31
Views: 330

Re: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus

Surely a Roman episcopal list was added to Hegesippus. Hegesippus's narrative originally concluded in episcopate of Anicetus in the 147 CE. A Roman episcopal list was brought down to Eleutherius. Agreed. The list evinces a break after Anicetus. So somebody (let us call him Hegesippus) listed bishop...
by MrMacSon
Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus
Replies: 31
Views: 330

Re: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus

As I alluded to in another response post above: 'Rome' --40-50 yrs before Nicea-- was near Nicea, as Nova Roma . It went to Nicomedia around ~284 CE , I think (I can't be bothered looking it up), and moved around a bit, including accounts of it also being in Nicea, before Constantine move it to Byz...
by MrMacSon
Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thomas Scott - Irenaeus Never Existed
Replies: 13
Views: 267

Re: Thomas Scott - Irenaeus Never Existed

I don't understand what what Head wrote means, eg. how can Irenaeus be "cited at Matt 3.17" ?? or how is that premise related to "certainly in dependence on this manuscript" ?? He is saying that Irenaeus is cited in the textual apparatus of important modern critical texts of Matthew, and that the c...
by MrMacSon
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus
Replies: 31
Views: 330

Re: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus

... I think we can see Rome as the center of 'orthodox' Christian worship from 180 CE onward with Alexandria effectively becoming Rome's rival in the period. To be honest the situation with Trump and Putin today mirrors how I think Alexandria functioned in the period. There was a deep history in Al...
by MrMacSon
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus
Replies: 31
Views: 330

Re: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus

But is it necessarily a later concern? This is what bothers me with anyone (including myself) who has - what we should generously call 'a minority position.' argumentum ad numerum/ argumentum ad populum is a fallacy. Yes we can all cheat and say 'the evidence can be read in a way to support my posi...
by MrMacSon
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus
Replies: 31
Views: 330

Re: The Parallels in the Accounts of Carpocrates and Cerinthus

The same type of logic makes it 'obvious' the gospel was written in the second century, fourth century - whatever century you want really. Simply because, again, there isn't an abundance of evidence. The reality is that there isn't a lot of good evidence. But that doesn't justify a lot of these cra...