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by MrMacSon
Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The end of short Mark leads to ...
Replies: 4
Views: 204

Re: The end of short Mark leads to ...

.. the text version that Codex Bezae has preserved for us in the second part of line 16:7: ϊδου προαγω ϋμας εις την Γαλιλαιαν εκει με οψεσθαι καθως ειρηκα ϋμειν Note that the first person singular is employed: Behold I go before you to Galilaia where you will see me like I told you. Now the ironic ...
by MrMacSon
Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
Replies: 78
Views: 2783

Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist

no, I mean "new" as not only not found in Paul, but as not even meant as a theological/midrashic point derived from Paul. Which doesn't apply to Nazareth and Galilee, since Galilee is the "Galilee of Gentiles" (obviously an easy pauline point) You mean b/c of Isaiah 9:1, - YLT - "As the former time...
by MrMacSon
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The end of short Mark leads to ...
Replies: 4
Views: 204

The end of short Mark leads to ...

Mark 16:5-8 . 5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side , and they were alarmed. 6 “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus 'the Nazarene', who was crucified. He has risen ! He is not here . See the place where they laid him. 7...
by MrMacSon
Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
Replies: 78
Views: 2783

Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist

Basically, what is new in Mark compared to Paul is: Barabbas John the Baptist. and Nazareth and Galilee Mark 1 vv. 9, 14, 16, 24, 39; Mark 3:7; Mark 6:1ff (where he is rejected in his hometown); Mark 9:30; Mark 10:47; (in 14:67 & 16:6, Jesus is said to be 'a Nazarene'; & in 14:70 Peter is accused o...
by MrMacSon
Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 34
Views: 727

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

Scholarly mainstream still thinks in terms of oral traditions, circulation of memory, textualization of single stories, redaction of sources, compositions of longer units. They pretend that the left wing comes from Galapagos Island and the right wing from Ecuador. The notions of significant oral tr...
by MrMacSon
Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 34
Views: 727

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

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by MrMacSon
Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 34
Views: 727

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

3. The idea that Matthew, Mark and Luke were produced naturally (i.e. verbatim or near verbatim passages without copying) is impossible. It is possible the Marcionites had a more corrupt gospel and didn't know it was corrupted, but it is impossible that Matthew, Mark and Luke were falsified acciden...
by MrMacSon
Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
Replies: 78
Views: 2783

Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist

... Paul would only get his information about any rivalry from those who experienced it (the early disciples of Jesus) There's no evidence of or for this. It could be possible that Paul heard nothing about the rivalry, even if other people knew. Or perhaps he believed that John and Jesus were in ha...
by MrMacSon
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
Replies: 78
Views: 2783

Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist

Nasruddin wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:26 pm
... Paul would only get his information about any rivalry from those who experienced it (the early disciples of Jesus)
There's no evidence of or for this.
by MrMacSon
Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Irenaeus identify John with Jesus without knowing it?
Replies: 20
Views: 1036

Re: Did Irenaeus identify John with Jesus without knowing it?

[Irenaeus ]claiming that this information also had an oral tradition. Which could be an attempt to shore-up the 'information' as having historical veracity ... Irenaeus himself met Polycarp, who was a companion of John, the apostle of Jesus. This begs the question: when was the John that Polycarp m...