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by MrMacSon
Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Could Christians Have Used the Title 'Son of Man' in a Way Independent of Daniel's Expectation?
Replies: 21
Views: 122

Re: Could Christians Have Used the Title 'Son of Man' in a Way Independent of Daniel's Expectation?

In the 1st century, Saint Mark presented the duality of Son of God and Son of man in the parable of the tenants 1 And he began to speak to them in parables. “A man (ἄνθρωπος - anthrōpos) planted a vineyard and put a fence around it and dug a pit for the winepress and built a tower, and leased it to...
by MrMacSon
Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Could Christians Have Used the Title 'Son of Man' in a Way Independent of Daniel's Expectation?
Replies: 21
Views: 122

Re: Could Christians Have Used the Title 'Son of Man' in a Way Independent of Daniel's Expectation?

'a son of man' as used in the Jewish scriptures is more generic than the definitive article 'the Son of Man' espoused in in the NT

See http://www.earlywritings.com/forum/view ... f=3&t=2358
by MrMacSon
Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Books and letters of Paul.
Replies: 20
Views: 309

Re: Books and letters of Paul.

Reading over the Acts of the Scillitan Martyrs , there is this rather odd statement made by one of the captive Christians: Saturninus the proconsul said: What are the things in your chest? Speratus said: Books and epistles of Paul, a just man. Now it can be generally agreed upon what is meant by ep...
by MrMacSon
Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: No “Son of Man” in Marcion
Replies: 28
Views: 232

Re: No “Son of Man” in Marcion

perseusomega9 wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:43 pm
in the meantime can we limit Giuseppe to one new thread/week?
or just one thread, period.
by MrMacSon
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
Replies: 27
Views: 347

Re: Jesus and other saviors/heroes

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I think the Osir.antinous, Herm.antinoos and, it seems the Antinoos-Dionysus, cults are likely to have influenced the genesis of Christianity.
by MrMacSon
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
Replies: 27
Views: 347

Re: Jesus and other saviors/heroes

I think Christianity got it's universalism from the mystery cults. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Carrier#Jewish_and_Hellenistic_syncretism: Carrier notes four major trends in religion, occurring prior to the formation of Christianity: "Syncretism: combining a foreign cult deity with Helleni...
by MrMacSon
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
Replies: 27
Views: 347

Re: Jesus and other saviors/heroes

If you are looking at influences, I'd focus on the Jewish scriptures as the most likely source, and then branch out from there ... You may well be right that a parallel is an indication of influence, but it can't be assumed. I think Christianity started from Jewish scriptures but also incorporated ...
by MrMacSon
Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:49 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: The Mishna, etc
Replies: 119
Views: 33752

Re: The Mishna, etc

In the Ethics of the Fathers ( Pirkei Avot ), we read that Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai had five distinguished disciples, whom he asked to go out and see the best way to live our lives. Rabbi Eliezer said a good eye; Rabbi Yehoshua, a good friend; Rabbi Yose, a good neighbour; Rabbi Shimon, someone wh...
by MrMacSon
Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
Replies: 27
Views: 347

Re: Jesus and other saviors/heroes

... I just think that by the time of Paul mystery cult elements were added. I think it was probably obvious to early Christians that the dying and resurrecting savior [Jesus] was very similar to the Greco-Roman saviors and mystery cults. So by the time of Paul a mystery cult had formed [around Jesu...
by MrMacSon
Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
Replies: 27
Views: 347

Re: Jesus and other saviors/heroes

... Any pagan influence, and really IMO its less mythical influence than philosophical, had been subtly infused into Jewish story telling over hundreds of years and had been heavily imbued with Jewish characteristics. A lot of the 1st century BCE - 1st century CE stories were heavily influenced by ...