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by MrMacSon
Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias
Replies: 14
Views: 734

Re: Papias

Young writes: The proportions in 1 Enoch are multiplied in the similar passage in 2 Bar. 29.5, possibly composed in Papias' lifetime ... Papias 1.5 also has parallels in Jewish eschatological literature . In this verse Jesus replies to Judas' unbelieving question about how the Lord could bring abou...
by MrMacSon
Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)
Replies: 23
Views: 5116

Re: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)

The Oldest Gospel: Klinghardt Edition , Quiet Waters Publications, July 2018 by Matthias Klinghardt (Contributor),‎ Stephen Trobisch (Translator),‎ David Trobisch (Preface) This gospel was first published by Marcion of Sinope as part of a collection that also contained ten letters of Paul. Its titl...
by MrMacSon
Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)
Replies: 23
Views: 5116

Re: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)

.. Here it is stressed that Aland doesn't go much past a simple description of Klinghardt's position and, because of the sheer volume of Klinghardt's work, she had to restrict herself to criticism of the parts she found most problematic (or in other words: it sounds more negative than it is meant)....
by MrMacSon
Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)
Replies: 23
Views: 5116

Re: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)

MrMacSon, I do think that many folks, even Barbara Aland, have somewhat misrepresented Klinghardt's position when they say that Marcion created this ur-Gospel.* Maybe it is because it is reconstructed almost entirely from church fathers polemic against Marcion's Gospel, and that some of the canonic...
by MrMacSon
Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus
Replies: 11
Views: 870

Re: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus

Just as it was necessary for the Creator to animate the creation by the help of Sophia (i.e., with a second attempt) Is this based on some ancient sources (other than Genesis)? I'm not sure what Giuseppe had in mind, and don't want to put words in his mouth, but it could be related to the Gnostic [...
by MrMacSon
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin's Apol. 65-67 from Ott. Gr. 274 and Parisinus Gr. 450
Replies: 0
Views: 59

Justin's Apol. 65-67 from Ott. Gr. 274 and Parisinus Gr. 450

Translated from German - Valuable transcripts of the two most important manuscripts of the important chapters 65-67 have been produced. The Codex Ottobonianus graecus 274 can be found in the digital Bibliotheca Vaticana (DVL), Folio 1r to 2r offer Just Apol. 65-67. The Codex Parisinus graecus 450 is...
by MrMacSon
Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias
Replies: 14
Views: 734

Re: Papias

hoping to discern earliest (ante-Nicene] sources (and have edited my OP to that effect). I see. I think your list is correct. Cheers Peter. If we're sticking to actual references to Papias and the text of his books, next in time would be post-Nicene (325) but pre-Chalcedonian (451). Maybe you're no...
by MrMacSon
Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias
Replies: 14
Views: 734

Re: Papias

Irenaeus is the only "ante Nicene" source. I was thinking that as I hit 'submit' & shortly after, and also thought, knowing my luck, Eusebius' H.E. would 've been finished ~330 + AD/CE; but Andrew Louth has argued that the Church History was first published in 313 CE.[4] In its present form, the wo...
by MrMacSon
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ
Replies: 44
Views: 3110

Re: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ

1 Peter is “historicist, Ha!” because the writer who of course claims to be Peter says he witnessed Jesus’ sufferings and 2:21-23. I think that even mythicists generally regard 1 Peter as 'historicist'. But why are the references so vague, then? Why not give concrete times and places? 1 Peter has P...
by MrMacSon
Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias
Replies: 14
Views: 734

Re: Papias

Peter Kirby wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:17 pm
http://peterkirby.com/putting-papias-in-order.html

^ sources for Papias
Cheers Peter. I saw the full list at Ben's Papias textexcavation page, but was hoping to discern earliest (ante-Nicene] sources (and have edited my OP to that effect).