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by neilgodfrey
Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 137
Views: 1360

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

I've not read Carrier but Aviezer Tucker has had very useful contributions to the use of Bayesianism in history. I have an incomplete digital copy of Carrier's book, so I'll have to see how he interacts specifically with Tucker's work when I can. Any thoughts on Carrier's treatment of Tucker's work...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 137
Views: 1360

Re: Literary versus historical persons and events

Okay, good. We are on the same page here, at least. Your way of explaining your viewpoint on these matters is odd and roundabout to me, but I think progress has been made in some quarters, at any rate. Possibly. Some time back I began to zero in on the question of "how do we know what happened in h...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 137
Views: 1360

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

Back on the "literary Athens" in Thucydides ..... When we study Athens through the writings of Thucydides, everything we learn is sourced from Thucydides' literature. If we study Athens by visiting the geographical place (in real life or on google maps?) we are visiting a real (or virtual) Athens an...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 137
Views: 1360

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

I've not read Carrier but Aviezer Tucker has had very useful contributions to the use of Bayesianism in history. I have an incomplete digital copy of Carrier's book, so I'll have to see how he interacts specifically with Tucker's work when I can. Any thoughts on Carrier's treatment of Tucker's work...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 137
Views: 1360

Re: Literary versus historical persons and events

The Jerusalem temple in the gospels is a literary temple. Given that many works of history are also solid examples of literature (of which Thucydides' opus may be considered chief), is the Athens in History of the Peloponnesian War a literary Athens? Yes. This is especially evident given that Thucy...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 137
Views: 1360

Literary versus historical persons and events

My illustration in the previous post is open to misunderstanding, I think. I wrote: To take an extreme example to try to make the difference clear: Jokes and spoofs. We have lots of jokes and spoofs about classic fairy tales, Red Riding Hood and Cinderella etc. If we have no knowledge of the source ...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 25
Views: 208

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

Paul. 98% Paul wrote letters mid 1st century - from primary evidence, although corrupt. Various cities around the Eastern Mediterranean. Which Paul? The Paul of Acts of the Apostles or the Paul of the Acts of Paul and Thecla? The Paul of Galatians? The Paul of 2 Thessalonians? The Paul of 2 Timothy...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 137
Views: 1360

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

The methods appear to be valid; one may question the underlying assumption that there was a Buddha in the first place, but the exercises of sifting through the data to see where they point chronologically or how they shape genealogically look to be text-based or source-based. I would have thought t...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 137
Views: 1360

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

Yes, I can see where he discusses the genre of Acts itself. But I am not asking about the genre of Acts. I am asking about the genre of the source behind Acts (specifically, behind the Pauline trial narratives) which Carrier claims to have uncovered. The question of the genre of Acts is the only qu...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 137
Views: 1360

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

Well, one difference is that Theissen's case is much more detailed and carefully thought out. I suspect any relative grading has less to do with the source criticism itself than it has to do with the "background knowledge" accepted respectively by Theissen and by Carrier before said source criticis...